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The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Social Security

In the world of very early retirement, we tend to ignore one of the most important things for normal retirees: the Social Security program.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great thing for the 73 million people who currently draw benefits, and it provides an essential safety net for many who don’t have much income from anywhere else.

But for those of us leaving the workplace in our 30 and 40s, Social Security is just a fuzzy concept in the very distant future. We aren’t thinking about money that eases us into our Golden Years, we need something that starts working now. Plus we’d rather not rely on our government keeping its promises that far into the future.

Those were my thoughts in 2005, when I was just a young retiree myself. But a funny thing happens when time passes: you get older. And you realize that there are plenty of other older people around too. And suddenly, Social Security is an important subject after all, that many people would like to know more about. But there is an endless pile of conflicting opinions:

  • Social Security is going to be bankrupt, so don’t count on it!
  • No, actually Social Security will never be canceled, because it’s important to older people and old people vote!
  • You should delay your withdrawals as long as possible to get the largest possible payments!
  • NO, actually you should take the payments as early as possible so you can retire earlier!

But when I did the math on all of this, I realized that it’s more confusing than it needs to be. Because when it comes to deciding on how Social Security fits into your retirement strategy, it really boils down to only one number: 

The Net Present Value of your future lifetime stream of Social Security payments.

That little piece of math jargon might not mean much if you don’t have fond memories of  Economics 101 class. But don’t worry, it’s easy to understand if you think of these two extremes:

If you want to retire in your 30s like I did, the value of your future Social Security is pretty close to zero. Even if the government keeps all of its promises, those payments are so far in the future that you need to save a full retirement ‘stash to get through the three decades until it kicks in.

On the other hand, if you’re already over 60 years old, contributed to Social Security throughout your long career and have a low cost of living, you may be eligible for payments that already meet all your needs. 

In this situation, you are set for life. Social Security will in theory cover all your needs and rise automatically with inflation, so you don’t have to save any additional money.

In between these two extremes, the math gets interesting. Because while most people assume Social Security is useless until you reach full eligibility, the real story is that you can think of it as a chunk of money that you already have right now, which reduces the amount of saving you have to do on your own. 

And there’s an easy way to calculate it, with an extremely useful thing called the Net Present Value calculation.

There’s an actual formula for this, but don’t worry you don’t have to memorize it because you can just have any Internet calculator, AI tool or spreadsheet do the math for you.

Where:

  • PMT is the monthly payment you want
  • r is the monthly interest rate you expect from investments (annual rate / 12)
  • n is the number of months you want the stream to continue

First let’s calculate the value a young couple might get if they do this calculation at 30 years old. We just have to make a few assumptions to have numbers plug into the formula:

  • A future Social Security income of $4000 per month ($2000 each)
  • They will collect those payments starting at 62 and then live to 92 (so it’s a 30 year stream of payments
  • A compounding rate for investments of about 6% after inflation

When you plug in all the numbers and calculate this (the Net Present Value of a 30 year stream of income), the first number you’ll get is $667,166. But that’s not the final answer – that is how much you’d need if you wanted the payments to start right now.

The final step is applying a simpler version of the formula a second time, to account for the fact that you don’t need the money until 32 years from now:

At that point, you end up with a number around $98,280. But what does this mean?

It means that if you stuck $98k into an investment account today and let it compound for 32 years, at that point it would be big enough to provide a stream of $4000 payments for the following 30 years. And this even takes future inflation into account!

It also means that the 30 year old retirees can mark an imaginary $98k onto their “net worth” spreadsheet and save that much less. Or at least think of it as a nice safety margin.

If you’re new to money and math, that may sound like sorcery, but if you’ve been investing for long enough you will understand that it really does work that way. So let’s re-run the example for a couple who is already 62 years old, and needs a $5000 income starting right now, that still needs to last 30 years. 

That NPV calculation looks like this:

And the answer is right around $834,000. 

What this means, is that if they invested $834,000 into a fund that paid out 6% per year for 30 years before running dry, they’d get that exact same $5000 monthly income. And it would keep up with inflation.

 Now that we’ve seen these examples from the extreme ends of the spectrum, we can see how this applies in a more typical situation. Here’s one that is loosely based on one from a real person I worked with last year:

Shane Survivor is 55 and he has been through some hard times. He lost most of his savings in a business blowup a few years back, but really wishes he could still retire soon. His financial picture:

  • $3000 monthly expenses including upkeep on a small house he owns
  • $250k in remaining investments
  • No debt

Most financial advisors would tell him to tough it out and  just keep working until he hits Social Security eligibility. At least 62 to get the minimum benefits, but maybe even longer to get to Full Retirement Age (67) or even until 70 to get the maximum benefit. 

But wait! Let’s do the math because who wants to work another fifteen years when you’re already tired of working at 55!

Shane logs into the Social Security website SSA.gov and uses the online tool to calculate what his payout will be. I just did this myself so we can use my numbers:

Let’s start by calculating the Net Present Value of each of these three options for our 55-year old friend:

  • $1968/month from age 62-90 is like having $210,433 today
  • $2796/month from age 67-90 is like having $203,849 today
  • $3467/month from age 70-90 is like having $197,192 today

Whoa wait a minute, that’s a counterintuitive result!  Am I really telling you that it’s actually less valuable to work longer so you can get the higher benefits? The answer is yes, for people who understand the concepts of “investing” and “the time value of money”.

To really understand this, just imagine what would happen if you started taking those payments as early as possible (age 62) and tossed them into an index fund, earning 6% after inflation on average. After the first year, you’d already have about $24,300 and you’d still be piling in that extra two grand per month and the whole snowball would be starting to compound.

 By the time your more patient friends started drawing $2796 payments five years later, you’d already have over $137,000. It’s such a big lead that the 67-year-old will never catch up.

But let’s go back to Shane’s real situation and see if he can retire:

  • He needs $3000 per month to make ends meet
  • His investment account holds $250,000
  • Applying the Shockingly Simple Math (Net Present Value) to his Social Security Numbers gave us about $210,000
  • If you take this total amount ($460,000) and apply my other shockingly simple math number – the 4% rule – you end up with $18,400 – still far below his $36,000 annual spending target.

So the answer is no, not quite yet. But he’s closer than it looks: every year of additional work will have a triple effect because it will:

  • Increase the eventual social security payment
  • Decrease the number of remaining years he has to cover before SS kicks in
  • Increase his $250k stash through extra savings and natural appreciation.

As soon as his combined ‘stash investment income plus the Social Security payment reach $3000 per month, he’s done.

And of course, any additional tricks he can apply like streamlining his spending and boosting his income, will make this even faster. I’d give him about three years before reaching liftoff.

So how can YOU use this information to speed up your own retirement?

The net effect of Social Security is that it should help you worry a little less and work a little less. The worrying part should benefit everyone, and the working part is kind of a sliding scale:

  • In your early 30s, accounting for Social Security will allow you to retire 1-2 years earlier
  • In your 60s, Social security is already here, and it can allow you to retire up to 30 years earlier, in the case that you have no other savings but can live on those payments alone

Can we just put this in ONE SIMPLE TABLE based on some reasonable assumptions?

Yes, absolutely! Just to hit the most common situation, let’s assume a household that has

  • two people
  • each qualifying for an SS benefit of $2000 per month
  • planning to take the benefits as early as possible (age 62)

How much is this future benefit worth you you, based on your current age?

These aren’t enormous FAT Fire numbers, but every one of them is enough to feel like a meaningful contribution to your eventual early jump into freedom. For example as a 51-year-old, I can look at my number of roughly $350,000 and say yeah, that’s quite a big boost – enough to buy an entire house in many areas of the country or enough to fund multiple lifetimes of high-end groceries. And until now I had never even considered it as part of my retirement savings!

Frequently Asked (or Complained) Questions

Now that we’ve covered the facts, I can already hear the complaints coming. 

What if Social Security is canceled or greatly reduced by the time I reach that age?

Yeah, it might happen, but it’s also a top priority for most voters in our aging population. So it’s hard for politicians to make cuts. What is more likely is that the benefits will be cut for wealthier people. And if you find yourself in that camp (as I do), you won’t actually need the payments. 

Sure, it’s not “fair”, but you know what? I can think of more fun ways to enjoy the fact that I’m a rich person rather than complaining about how some government program is “unfair”, and so can you.

 Nobody can live on just a Social Security check!

First of all, millions of people do. In fact, last time I checked my own annual spending it was under $30k, most of it on optional luxuries, which is less than my expected payout! 

But more importantly, most of us won’t have to, because we are also investing healthy sums on our own.

I’m still scared and worried about something else!

Now this is the root of the issue. In fact, worry is the root of almost all issues. And so that’s what we need to focus on in our future work. For some reason, I have managed to live the last twenty years pretty much completely free from financial worries, and I had assumed everyone else was the same way. But it turns out this is not the case, even among people much wealthier and more advantaged than I am.

So in the next article, we need to get into that.

Your Homework:

Log yourself into ssa.gov, and if it’s your first time doing that – congratulations! Note that new users will need to create an account, and they’ll guide you to login.gov for that purpose. Don’t fret, it’s very useful to have this account for multiple reasons.

In the comments:

  • What are your own thoughts, plans and experiences with Social Security, or its equivalent in your own country?
  • How much do you worry about your financial future, or the future of the world given all the bad things that are in the news these days? (hint: in my 51 years of life there have been bad things in the news every single day and yet here we are with the world still turning)

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Bonus Materials: the Quirk of Social Security Contributions

If you log in to check on your Social Security account when you’re still young, you’ll see some confusing stuff – basically it tells you how much your payout will be if you continue working and contributing for a ridiculously long 35 year period!

Your benefit is calculated by taking an average of your 35 highest years of earnings, which sounds bleak for people like me who only worked a ten-year career, because in theory that average might contain mostly zeroes. But never fear because:

  • You qualify for the basic minimum amount after only ten years of work
  • People who retire very early usually tend to continue earning some self-employment income in the in-between years (further raising that average)
  • The whole system is scaled progressively. It is designed to help and subsidize people who need it more, and it becomes less of a “good deal” the higher your income. 

To illustrate this point, I ran a simulation of two people who each make a $100k salary and contribute accordingly, but one retires after 10 years and that poor second guy works the full 35.  Look at the difference in their benefits:

So the early retiree only worked and contributed about 28% as much as the late retiree. But his benefits are still a much higher 45% of the big earner’s payouts. In summary? Social Security provides a mild incentive for slacking.

One other factor: after retiring earlier, you might still end up contributing more than you think. This is because any income you earn later in life through optional employment (or self employment) will trigger more contributions. In my 21 years of retirement, I have ended up earning and contributing more during about 15 of those years, bringing my average level up much higher than I originally expected.

Final Tip: If in doubt, ask your Favorite AI

Even though this has become a long article, it is still far from a complete analysis of the Social Security program. If you want to learn more, I’ve found the AI tools (Anthropic’s Claude, Google Gemini or OpenAI’s Chat GPT) to be shockingly useful at answering questions and running analyses. If you haven’t started using these in your financial research, I highly recommend them. Just search for any of those names (or install the phone app), start typing your questions, and you’ll be learning at a rapid pace within moments.

  • Genep April 17, 2026, 9:50 am

    This is a very good analysis of the Social Security ramifications of retiring early and when to start drawing benefits. Curiously, this “shocking simple” explanation is shockingly rare in my experience. I retired a little early and I did a similar calculation a few years ago and decided that starting my benefits early was a good approach for me. Delaying benefits until 67 or 70 only seems to be better if you are in good health and you put your savings in a place that has little or no earnings. Also, I was mindful of the fact that Social Security is expected to come up short of funds sometime next decade and a benefits reduction of about 25% is anticipated. Everyone should decide what approach is right for them after doing an analysis similar to MMM’s.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 11:50 am

      I agree that benefits will probably be reduced in the future because of the shortfall. But there may also be contribution increases on still-working people to help plug some of the gap. And the benefit reductions are likely to be wealth based – richer people who need it less could se bigger cuts, while the lowest wealth people may see no cuts at all.

      It will be interesting to watch, and while emotionally I like the idea of an extra $2000/month to play with starting ten years from now, logically I know it would make no difference because I am already buying everything I want, yet my total spending of under $30k/year is far less than I could based on my existing retirement savings.

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  • Dawn April 17, 2026, 9:57 am

    I will probably take it at 62. If they reduce benefits eventually my bet is it will be for future retirees I.e. those who who are not pulling down SS yet. I’m not going to wait longer for less benefit.

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  • Kay April 17, 2026, 10:06 am

    I’m wondering how this information impacts a prospective early retiree. Since reading Die With Zero I have been pondering the opportunity cost of retiring a few years later than I need to.
    If my partner and I are 45 would we add $241,000 to our total savings/investments and, if this puts us at our FI number, begin a safe withdrawal based the sum of our investments AND the current value ($241k) of future SS payments?

    Most of the comments above are about when to take SS, which is helpful, but I am curious about how this might impact someone’s decision to retire early. I’d love to hear some thoughts.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 11:46 am

      Yes Kay, that’s exactly why I wrote this article.

      If you’re 45 and if you do the math on your eventual SS payout and end up with that $241k net present value, I feel that you can add that to your net worth statement and it should give you the confidence to retire a little earlier.

      Then when the time comes, you’ll make the early-vs-late SS payment decision based on all sorts of factors in your future wealth and health that you probably can’t predict now, but at least it will be there for you.

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  • Iris April 17, 2026, 10:45 am

    Thanks for the suggestion to run numbers through AI. I am 59 and lost my spouse, the higher earner in our marriage, and wasn’t clear on when to take the survivor benefit. Should I start ASAP, at 60? Wait? Or take his til 67, then mine?

    I got some clear recommendations from AI and feel I understand the options and best strategy for me now. Of course, I will confirm all this with Social Security, but had been dreading making an appointment with them and going over all this. I feel much more confident now in making a decision.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 11:44 am

      Yes! This is why I push back pretty hard on the “Never Use AI” activists who complain whenever I use or mention it here.

      They seem to be looking for a standard of “always perfect all the time”, which even human experts don’t live up to. Instead, what current-gen AI assistants do is give you unlimited, nearly-free access to a very, very smart person who has that level of expertise in almost all fields. Not perfect but still incredibly useful.

      I use Google Gemini for everything from design and color ideas to engineering calculations in the areas of solar/electrical systems, energy and heat transfer, fixing mountain bikes, analyzing government policies and of course calculating NPV as you see in this article. It is extremely accurate even in some pretty obscure fields. Almost everyone can benefit from just starting to ask it questions whenever you are curious about something, and just get a feel for its strengths and remaining weaknesses so you know when it works best.

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  • Shelley Murasko April 17, 2026, 11:50 am

    Hi Mr. Money—big fan! I’ve tried to replicate your NPV math but can only match the age-62 results using about a 10.5% return with no COLA, which seems pretty aggressive given Social Security’s inflation adjustments. In most cases, if someone lives past ~85, delaying to 70 (with the 8% annual increase after 67) appears to come out ahead—plus the added benefit that it’s not taxed at the state level in most states.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 12:03 pm

      That’s strange – I only assumed a 6% return after inflation for that calculation and other readers have checked the numbers and come up with the same sum.

      Did you try my recommended trick of typing your questions into gemini.google.com, chatgpt.com or the other AI of your choice? The good thing about today’s AIs is they show their work step by step so you can see where you might have made a mistake. (And of course you can check if they make a mistake, which they do in niche fields but not in everyday stuff like NPV)

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      • Shelley Murasko April 17, 2026, 12:28 pm

        Yes, I originally did the work in Excel using their NPV formula –
        Annual amounts: $23616 for age 62 for 28 years at discount rate of 6%, and I got $324,000.
        Here is what ChatGPT spits out if the prompt is: Trying to calculate Net Present Value of Social Security if I start Social Security at age 62 in the amount of $1968, and receive it till age 90 and the discount rate is 6%
        Step 1: Inputs
        Monthly benefit: $1,968
        Annual benefit: $23,616
        Years: 28 (age 62 → 90)
        Discount rate: 6%
        Step 2: Formula
        NPV=23616×
        0.06
        1−(1+0.06)
        −28
        Step 3: Result
        NPV ≈ $324,000
        Quick interpretation
        Total you’d receive (no discounting):
        ~$23,616 × 28 = $661,000
        Present value at 6%:
        → ~$324K

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        • Roberto April 17, 2026, 1:51 pm

          That is correct. Using Pete’s example ($5k/month for 30 years from now), I get

          5000*(1-POWER((1+0.005),-(30*12)))/(0.005) = $833,958.07

          For your numbers, $1968/month for 28 years it is

          1968*(1-POWER((1+0.005),-(28*12)))/(0.005) = $319,935.48

          Note that these use monthly compounding rather than annual. But it’s easy to tweak the formula. Now, suppose you are 52 and you want to know what that is worth today. For your $1968/month starting 10 years in the future, that would be

          319935.48/POWER((1+0.005),28*12) = $59,877.78

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  • Lendy.Mephy April 17, 2026, 12:22 pm

    Well, now instead of being on track to retire when planned, I am ready to retire now. I still think I’m going to work the one year and eleven months I originally planned. That will let me retire after reaching the twenty year anniversary of starting my current career. That’s gonna be a really nice feather to put in my cap as I walk off into the sunset.

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  • CFT April 17, 2026, 12:25 pm

    Great article, I’m 62 and my intention is to retire at 65 come hide nor heck water. I am basically waiting on Medicare and trying to build up my 401k some more as well as my pension that I am fortunate to have. At 65 I will have 21 yrs in on my job. My biggest overall concern is health care as I age. Yes, overall, I am healthy and do my best to take care of myself but as anyone knows that could change in a flash. I have always been frugal with my money but have also considered once I am fully retired maybe working part time at something I truly enjoy or would like to do. I feel overall life is just too short and the small difference of money with SS that I would make retiring at the full age of 67 is really not worth it. I also guess like most people no matter how conservative you may be there is always the fear of running out of money too.

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  • Shelley Murasko April 17, 2026, 1:37 pm

    Vanguard has a really great tool you can use to review your own individual Social Security scenarios:
    https://advisors.vanguard.com/wealth-management/social-security-calculator/results#claiming-strategies
    I believe you can use this without setting up a log-in with Vanguard.

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  • Brian Powers April 17, 2026, 2:27 pm

    Do you worry about survivor effects (I believe this is what this is called)? The monthly interest from investments is given as a constant in these equations. But if you are invested in the stock market, the interest is not constant. If the market dips for a long period of time, there is a small chance you might run out of money before the market goes up again. I know you can lower the 4% rule if this happens, but that will result in a lower quality of life. This is not a problem for true staches, but for someone on the edge, it might make a difference.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 6:45 pm

      The magic of the 4% rule is that you CAN spend a constant amount. You don’t even really have to look or care about the stock market’s daily fluctuations – you simply have the quarterly dividends flow directly to your checking account and have an automatic periodic sale of the remaining 2.9% or whatever (I suggest just monthly but you can do it however you like). There is an overwhelming chance that you will end up with a surplus by the time you die – in some cases more than you started with on your day of retirement. Check out the more recent studies on the 4% rule and/or play with cFireSim to see how this all works.

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  • Emel April 17, 2026, 2:27 pm

    Now 69, I retired at 67, full retirement age and a few months. My entire income is from SS, with a payment of around $3,200. Thanks to MMM, I started to live within my means, lowering my spending and making extra principal payments on the NYC apartment I bought in 2010, which is around when I found you. I too have around $250k in rollover 401k, Roth and HSA. The real game changer is Medicare. There’s no way I could self-insure. Last year, about a year and half into retirement, I paid off my mortgage (shout-out to Motley Fool, subscriber since 2001). My SS payment covers maintenance, utilities, 20+ Mets games, maybe a dozen Broadway or other live events, and a little travel. I didn’t want to retire, until I had to. My portfolio is about 40% cash and the rest in equities, and I finally feel comfortable about not outliving my money. Thank you, dear one. You’re the brother I never had.

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  • Kevin April 17, 2026, 10:58 pm

    How much do I worry about my financial future/the world’s future? I’m embarrassed to say these days quite a lot. I have come to worry about AI very much. I’m not particularly close in my FIRE journey to my FI number unless I were to move to a LCOL area. Being a white collar worker whose value is in programming systems, I’ve found that AI is basically already better at this than me; I now consider myself essentially an AI commander in my role as a data engineer. Seems to me that before the era of LLMs, the way to progress in my career was to gain expertise in producing higher quality at faster speeds via experience and practice. Then this could be used as leverage to attain higher and higher compensation until at last the boiling point was reached and financial independence arrived. With how good AI has become, I wonder how much value there is in this now versus simply telling Claude what you want it to do.

    On the other hand, my gut always tells me that the talking heads in the media who make the “shocking predictions” about the future have always done this and always will, and it is nothing to worry about. Pessimists have a fun time scaring people, and I am an optimist who doesn’t fall for it. Still, I use this AI stuff every day and it is scarily good. I’ve been hoping you would share your thoughts about AI. I would suppose you have a sunnier opinion about the future with respect to AI, and to be honest I’m hoping for the “exhale” of Mustachianism on this subject.

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  • Stuart Kuzminsky April 18, 2026, 10:59 am

    There are comments about SS’s viability to this posting. CBO says the current $184.5k cap for paying into SS creates a ‘2032 cliff’, so that concern is justified. I think politicians will change the ceiling because of the high voter turn out rate of older, and sicker SS recipients.

    I asked an AI: What would the impact be of removing the $184500 cap for FICA tax?

    Some of the response AI:
    1 Immediate Revenue Windfall – $475B/yr, $1.5-2T 2026-2035;
    2 “insolvency date” (the point where benefits might be cut) from 2032 into the late 2060s or 2070s; and
    3 Economic impact: For High Earners- additions 6.2% tax on income above $184.k
    For the Economy- slight dis incentive for high income earners
    significantly reduce the federal deficit
    stabilize the ‘safety net’ for 92% of the population.

    I guess it puts the political power of the 92% to a test.

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  • Patrick M. April 18, 2026, 11:36 am

    I think it’s a bit more complicated than you make out. First of all, although SS might not completely keep up with inflation, it does have an increasing component that your NPV calculation does not fully reflect.

    Nonetheless, you are correct that social security by itself is not terribly complicated. But add in a few more variables and you certainly have an optimization problem that will have different answers for different people. Here are a few examples:

    1) Taxation on social security is interesting because it starts off at zero, but can quickly climb, because the more non-social security income you make, the more of your social security becomes taxable. One simple example, using 2026 tax numbers, is that a single person with $48K of social security and $40K will nominally be in the 22% tax bracket, and will have a marginal income tax rate of 40.7%.

    2) IRA RMDs mean that you don’t have as much wiggle room as you might like in moving income around to avoid the issue in #1.

    3) Medicare IRMAA can take a huge bite out of your income. And its effects are delayed by two years.

    On the one hand, #1 might support your premise — take social security earlier and reduce the taxable amount. On the other hand, it might mean that the correct thing to do is to get all your other taxable income (such as from converting regular IRAs to Roth IRAs) out of the way before taking social security, so that you don’t have to worry about pesky RMDs, and your $48K social security is taxed at zero when you take it.

    But while you are getting your other taxable income out of the way, you also need to consider Medicare IRMAA. This is an interesting tax with really steep cliffs. At one dollar of income, you aren’t paying anything, and then at $109K you’re paying 2.4K/year. Double that to $205K, and you’re paying 8.8K a year, which is like an additional 4.3% tax on all your income, including your standard deduction.

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  • John Doe April 19, 2026, 2:37 am

    Like you stated, the SS payout estimate assumes by default that you’ll keep working. If you are already retired or about to retire, or just want to calculate what the NPV would be if you stopped working today, make sure to modify the assumptions in the tool by setting your future earnings to $0.

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  • Rob Carey April 19, 2026, 3:07 am

    Very interested in the ending to this post, “In fact, worry is the root of almost all issues. And so that’s what we need to focus on in our future work.” I’m going through the ‘do we have enough, will we have enough’ conversation. One of us says yes (me) and points to the spreadsheet and talks about investing plans. The other says no (my partner) but can’t say why other than it just feels right. Really looking forward to an article on the fear and worry that drives us.

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  • Aaron Hemry April 19, 2026, 6:02 am

    After reading and digesting this latest and greatest article, here is my key takeaway:

    Take the money even if you don’t need it.

    I’m 50, so in 12 more years I will start taking it.
    I plan to use the monthly cash flow to buy woods and farmland to protect and preserve for my grandkids and future generations.

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  • Mr T April 19, 2026, 2:15 pm

    How should a financially independent, wealthy, generous individual approach this government benefit? We have never included Social Security in our financial planning despite paying into it for decades.

    Assuming we do not need this income stream, how does one do the most good with the benefit? Wait until the latest age to receive then donate the proceeds to charity? Or is it better to start early, invest and add to my estate for distribution at some later point? Just curious if that’s a math problem or more about one’s view of the government’s role in income redistribution?

    All the Best

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  • Alan April 20, 2026, 9:40 pm

    Honestly, I think this article provides a good perspective, but I think it really misses the key point of all decisions on sources of funds for retirement: the total tax bill that we pay as we use our various funds. And by “total” I mean of all the years we are retired and spending down our assets. The reality is that the decision on when to take SS is not something that can be boiled down to the NPV of just that one “asset.”

    Everyone has a different situation, so it is likely that people that seem very similar in terms of age and total assets could end up with very different SS strategies if their asset bases are quite different. When I look at all the moving pieces (traditional IRAs, Roth IRAs, annuity choices, and SS) I pay less total tax on the same net income (with a higher residual to my estate) with a later start than an earlier start (while planning for at least one of my spouse or me to make it to 90).

    And also, with the exception of those in very poor health, the whole concept of worrying about how much you get from SS before you die is nuts (at least in my opinion). That’s like betting against yourself. My plan has me taking SS later, and yes my estate would be better off with an early use strategy if I die early, but it would not be if I live to 90.

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  • Larry April 21, 2026, 7:39 pm

    The plan for my wife and me is to take one SS payment early and one late. The one at 62 will reduce the load on the retirement withdrawals. The second one will help the survivor spouse when one dies earlier since they will now have less income coming in. This works because the surviving spouse can take the higher of the two benefits.

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  • Joshua Msika April 22, 2026, 7:25 am

    Hey MMM, first-time commenter here. Thanks for all the work you have done in this space. You were definitely one of my inspirations when I started down this path over a decade ago.

    I’ve approached the pension/social security question differently. It does require a bit of thinking but in the end, I think it’s more intuitive and meaningful than an abstract NPV calculation. I thought you or others might be interested.

    Essentially, if you have annual expenses of say £25k (I’m in the UK) and you’ve built up a present state pension entitlement of say £17k/year, your retirement expenses break down into two annual sums:
    Amount A: The £8k/year that your investments will need to provide forever.
    Amount B: The £17k/year that your investments only need to cover until your pension kicks in.

    Now 4% is a long-term withdrawal rate for periods of 30 years or more. So applying 4% to Amount A is reasonable. In order to support £8k/year forever, you need £200k today.

    However, over shorter timeframes, sustainable withdrawal rates can be much higher than 4%. To take it to an absurd extreme, if you only need your money to last for 1 year, you could park it in cash and withdraw 100%. Looking at more reasonable timeframes of 15 or 20 years, 5% or 6% withdrawal rates can be perfectly sustainable.

    In the example above, if we apply a 6% rate to Amount B, we need £283k to sustain spending of £17k per year.

    This gives us a FI number of £200k for Amount A + £283k for Amount B = £483k to sustain £25k of spending indefinitely, including a state pension.

    If you used a straight 4% withdrawal rate, then you’d need 25x£25k=£625k. So the pension has reduced your FI number by £142k. That’s it’s real value to you, right now, in your journey to financial independence.

    I hope that makes some sense as an alternative way of approaching the problem. The main barrier to implementing it is figuring out what an appropriate short-term withdrawal rate is. I used Tyler’s Retirement Spending calculator (https://portfoliocharts.com/charts/retirement-spending/) to do this. I typed higher and higher withdrawal rates into the calculator (for my preferred asset allocation and country) until the graph showed me running out of money just one year later than I needed the money to last. I also have multiple pensions, kicking in at different ages, so I broke my spending down into more than two pots, each with a different time horizon.

    The net effect was to tell me I was basically financially independent, so definitely a worthwhile exercise. And it was much less abstract than an NPV calculation, which would still have left me wondering “yes, but, am I really financially independent?”

    Note that it would also be possible to come up with rules of thumb. A very basic formula for a withdrawal rate would be 1 / number of years. This works ok for very short time horizons, but eventually starts being too conservative. The 4% “rule” is based on a 30-year horizon, so the investment return above inflation is increasing the “naive” 3.33% withdrawal rate by 20% up to 4%. The longer time horizon allows you to increase the withdrawal rate a bit above what the simple estimate suggests. To be conservative, you could just use the naïve number: 5 years = 20%, 10 years = 10%, 15 years = 6.67%, 20 years = 5%, 25 years = 4%. Or you could enter your data into the portfoliocharts calculator and come up with a more exact figure (likely higher, therefore pushing your FI number down even further).

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  • Josh Z April 22, 2026, 12:19 pm

    Another way to look at it, is the earlier you take it the less you need to take out of your investments. Here’s a Monte Carlo simulation you can run https://github.com/bassplr19/SS_random_walk

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  • Andy A. April 22, 2026, 1:47 pm

    As someone who retired from work in 2016 at the age of 59, and started to take Social Security at the age of 66.5, I think that I am qualified to make a few comments on this topic:

    1. In 2003 I experienced a cardiac arrest while riding my bicycle in Rocky Mountain National Park down a long downhill stretch at about 21 mph. I don’t remember the crash. Fortunately there were some people on the side of the road who were watching wildlife (a family of moose). One of those people is a former firefighter who saw that I was in need of immediate attention and restored my life using chest compression CPR.

    Now, everyone who knows me would have thought that I would have been the very last person they would expect to have had a heart attack at the age of 63 (reasonably fit, eat healthy, low body fat, etc.)! So, regardless of one’s life choices, genetics has a say in what happens to you.

    The point is that one never knows how long one will live-make your decisions accordingly.

    2. Some years ago I put together a spreadsheet with all of the usual entries including: current investments, inflation rate, desired income/year, investment growth rate, Social Security PIA, COLA rates, etc. What I discovered is that the more assets one has in the form of investments, the more advantageous it is to take Social Security early, as this lets one’s assets continue to grow, rather than drawing them down to “save Social Security for later”.

    3. For those who are not aware, a very nice Social Security strategy calculator may be found at : https://opensocialsecurity.com/ This calculator will take in your age, sex, and Social Security PIA, as well as your spouse’s information and provide a strategy for when each person should take Social Security, with a calculation of the strategy’s present value.

    4. Most young people don’t think that Social Security will be around for their Golden Years. As other commenters have stated, it will likely still be around for the younger folks. However, as I am sure we are all aware, the dollars distributed will likely to be worth far less than one expects.

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  • Dan April 23, 2026, 2:44 pm

    This is a new concept to me and I am loving having a way of quantifying future SS benefits in my FI calculations. I ran the numbers and they make sense intially, but something isn’t clicking with me…

    I get a NPV(today) value of approximately $100K using 5% investment returns. So if I want to retire on $40k per year using the 4% rule, I don’t actually need $1MM invested now, I only need $900K after factoring in the NPV of SS (right?). That makes sense. But if I change the investment returns to, say 2%, my NPV(today) number goes way UP to over $250K. Surely, that doesn’t mean I need LESS money invested now ($750k in this example) to retire now, right?

    What am I not understanding, or is there something wrong with my calculations?

    240 months before taking SS
    336 months to live after starting SS
    1500 monthly payment from SS (taking at 62)

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  • Matt G April 23, 2026, 10:12 pm

    On “What is more likely is that the benefits will be cut for wealthier people.” – I’ve come to believe that what will happen is tax / social security rates on the middle class will be increased dramatically because that is the only way to actually bring the deficit down. This Freakonomics episode really opened my eyes there. Something that may affect FIRE projections in other ways. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/ten-myths-about-the-u-s-tax-system/

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  • Tracey Byrd April 29, 2026, 12:19 pm

    I get the theory but I’m struggling with the practice. Would you consider updating this article with a handy calculator or spreadsheet where we could input our current age and our estimates at 62, 67, and 70 and it would do the math for us? I got my info from SS but am struggling to get npv and 4% rule results I feel confident with.

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  • getting ready for the plunge May 4, 2026, 3:56 pm

    For what it is worth, here was Claude’s analysis of the article, “MMM’s thesis is essentially: take SS at 62, invest the proceeds in index funds at 6% real (≈9% nominal), and you’ll never be caught by those who delayed. The critical flaw — identified immediately by serious financial planners — is the discount rate. When comparing claiming strategies, you must match the discount rate to the risk of the cash flows. Social Security is a U.S. government-guaranteed, inflation-indexed annuity. The correct benchmark isn’t the stock market — it’s TIPS, which currently yield 1–2.5% real. Using equity returns to discount a government-guaranteed annuity is like using Bitcoin’s historical return as your hurdle rate.
    MMM’s own numbers use roughly 9% nominal (6% “after inflation” + ~3% inflation). Using the correct TIPS-based discount rate of ~2% real, the conclusion flips entirely — delaying to 70 produces the highest present value for anyone who lives to 90. ” Now, here are my concerns. Delaying till 70 has several major advantages. 1. I lock in a much higher survivor benefit for my wife. 2. I give myself 8 more years to do roth conversions. If I’m drawing SS during that time, it interferes with the amount of Roth conversions and forces me to pay higher taxes once RMD’s kick in at 75.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 8, 2026, 8:52 pm

      That’s funny – I wonder if Claude got that answer by pretty much paraphrasing this good blog post by a member of our community, almost word-for-word: https://bestinterest.blog/when-the-shockingly-simple-math-is-shockingly-wrong/

      The thing is, I’d argue that the low discount rate is not necessarily the “correct” choice – because while the stock market is volatile, it’s not risky. When investing in the overall index, you really *can* expect much higher than TIPS rates over even a pretty small time period. So I’d still say the odds are in your favor if you use the higher rate. And I always bet where the odds are in my favor.

      When analyzing this article, it might help to keep my personal bias in mind: I’m trying to encourage people to live the happiest lives they can. And I don’t think absolute financial predictability is a necessary thing for that happy life. If you can trade several YEARS of DEFINITE earlier freedom, for the tiny risk of maybe having to temporarily adjust your budget in the event of a stock market panic, that is a great tradeoff in my opinion. But traditional financial planners are often so focused on mathematical certainty that they overlook this important aspect of life.

      In the event that you don’t really like your job, which is unfortunately the case for the most of people, it’s worth putting a higher priority on prying yourself free for it.

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  • Jarad May 6, 2026, 9:15 am

    MMM, have you seen the study referenced in this article about cognitive decline in early retirees? (https://fortune.com/2026/05/05/early-retirement-cognitive-decline-gen-x-unemployment/)

    While there’s always been correlations between the two, this study claims to have found a causal relationship. Wonder what your thoughts are on this? I suspect it depends on how you spend your retirement but even that might be a gradient (‘working’ on enjoyable tasks more-or-less part time as you do is much better than sitting in front of a TV vegetating but working 10 hours a day 5 days a week is better (for your cognitive health) than both.

    If that’s the case, it’s another factor to weigh when deciding to pull the trigger or not. Very interested in your thoughts.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 8, 2026, 9:12 pm

      Yeah, that article has drawn some chuckles in the early retirement community, but I think there is a valid point buried deep within.

      First of all, the Fortune article is paywalled and doesn’t say much anyway, but here is the paper they are talking about: https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w35117/w35117.pdf

      When you read the paper, it finds that people who quit or get laid off early tend to fare less well than people who remain working. But what it DOESN’T cover is the most important thing: what are the retired people doing with their time?

      The biggest cause of Alzheimer’s is atrophy of the brain and body. So if you remain active and work hard each day both mentally and physically, your chances improve radically. In my opinion an active life is a good life, and retirement allows you to do MORE of these things because you’re not stuck in an office chair!

      Retirement should mean weight training every day, several hours of outdoor time, solving problems, spending time with good people. If this is your idea of retirement rather than just TV shows and cruise ships, there’s no healthier way to live.

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      • Jarad May 11, 2026, 7:46 am

        Just more reason to abide by the adage ‘you need to retire to something not from something’

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  • grabby May 10, 2026, 12:06 pm

    Thanks for great article. In regards to AI, several times I haves asked Claude Robinhood and Vangaurd questions and it has given more the wrong answers. On push back it says, you are right, sorry. So obviously want to use these with caution.

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  • Anthony May 12, 2026, 11:32 am

    For those interested in this concept, you can also apply it to other things that have a certain amount of “certainty”, and then factor it in your FI number. For example, here is how I calculated when I expect to be FI:

    1) main residence sale: if house prices keep growing at the inflation rate, and I plan to stay in my current house up until year X, where I’ll then become a renter, I can calculate what would be a realistic Net present value (NPV) of the future house sale

    2) ordinary expenses: to calculate my FI number, I approximated a yearly average expense for my remaining 3 phases in life (pre-FIRE, post-FIRE with kids still at home, post-FIRE & no kids), in current $. I combined all that to a single NPV representing all future ordinary expenses.

    3) out-of-ordinary planned expenses: I calculated one-off large expenses, like the years we plan to buy and maintain an RV, the years we’ll change our car, the years we’ll pay for kids & any grand-kids schooling, our contributions for any home cashdown for our kids, etc), in current $. I combined all that to a single NPV representing all future out-of-ordinary expenses.

    4) I modeled all Canada & Québec significant tax credits, using our planned salaries up until FI, in current $, our non-working years, and kids age, to bring that to a single NPV representing all future tax credits and tax contributions.

    5) Canada & Québec social security per our working years, salaries and age, again calculated to a single NPV.

    I sum these 5 numbers up every year, to come to a NPV of Y$
    I calculate the current value Z, of our current investments plus all contributions we plan to make in our remaining working years (all post-tax, because it’s easy with Canadian TFSAs and RRSP), assuming they will compound at a 4% rate net of inflation.

    Once both Y & Z numbers are equal, I know I am FI, since everything is in current $. …and if everything in life stays the same over the next decades, per current assumptions. That’s a big if, but it helps me visualize a “nominal” net zero scenario, where I have depleted accounts at an age of 98, and no more uncertainty or security margin hidden in the calculations. At that point, I know that any additional month I work is equal to an added margin to a nominal FI plan, and how much margin it adds. I can also check the effect of any trade-off I am curious about, in terms of additional working months. (for example, if I work for a 80% salary the last 3 years, i.e. 4 working days per week, how many working years does that add up to a nominal scenario?)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 13, 2026, 7:56 pm

      Wow, this is pretty clever Anthony and I agree – it’s a great way for people to get a rough estimate of all sorts of things far in the future. University tuition is another one.

      And I like the primary house one too – even if someone planned to stay in their primary house and never rent, they could still extract that value in advance via a line of credit, reverse mortgage, pre-selling to a family member or any number of other tricks. With many older people sitting on a paid off house over $1M these days, it can be an enormous boost to the retirement finances.

      Thanks for sharing!

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  • vivian May 12, 2026, 2:44 pm

    Some good reasoning in this post, as usual. I take issue with one number:

    “A compounding rate for investments of about 6% after inflation”

    This implies a return of 8 to 9% before inflation is factored in. This may have been valid for the past few years, but I would never bank on that kind of steady return for the long term.

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  • Ammon May 13, 2026, 5:53 pm

    Mr. Money Mustache,

    In college, I ran across your blog when trying to squeeze a little more out of our meager budget, and started by buying a UMGD. Around 2 years ago I rediscovered your blog and decided to start reading from the beginning while bored at my government job with nothing to do. Today, I caught up to the present. In those 2 years I have started biking to work, changed jobs to make almost twice as much, bought a house-hack rental property, and learned to do many minor repairs myself. Nothing close to the major renovations you’ve detailed, but we’re getting there. 3 years into my “real” (post-college) working career. Don’t know if I’ll manage to quit by year 10 like you, but by year 15, it’s highly likely we end up there.

    I don’t know if I’ll keep up with the sporadic posts on this blog (too much other badassity to get to), but I just wanted to say thank you for putting this out there. The engineering-minded analysis of our modern reality helps us realize how amazing life really is, and the incredible opportunity it is that we can work for ~1/4 of our adult life, and live off the fruits of our labors for the rest of it.Not many of those I associate with appreciate this type of content, but whenever I find one, I’ll be sure to send them your way. Thanks Pete.

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  • Matt May 15, 2026, 4:30 pm

    Just retired at 38 to raise my two daughters and take care of my wife who is terminally ill. Left a high six figure income from a financial planning firm to spend time where I am needed the most right now. Can use math to discount NPV of future cash flows from SSI, but hard to quantify time spent with your loved ones before they are gone.

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