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The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Social Security

In the world of very early retirement, we tend to ignore one of the most important things for normal retirees: the Social Security program.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great thing for the 73 million people who currently draw benefits, and it provides an essential safety net for many who don’t have much income from anywhere else.

But for those of us leaving the workplace in our 30 and 40s, Social Security is just a fuzzy concept in the very distant future. We aren’t thinking about money that eases us into our Golden Years, we need something that starts working now. Plus we’d rather not rely on our government keeping its promises that far into the future.

Those were my thoughts in 2005, when I was just a young retiree myself. But a funny thing happens when time passes: you get older. And you realize that there are plenty of other older people around too. And suddenly, Social Security is an important subject after all, that many people would like to know more about. But there is an endless pile of conflicting opinions:

  • Social Security is going to be bankrupt, so don’t count on it!
  • No, actually Social Security will never be canceled, because it’s important to older people and old people vote!
  • You should delay your withdrawals as long as possible to get the largest possible payments!
  • NO, actually you should take the payments as early as possible so you can retire earlier!

But when I did the math on all of this, I realized that it’s more confusing than it needs to be. Because when it comes to deciding on how Social Security fits into your retirement strategy, it really boils down to only one number: 

The Net Present Value of your future lifetime stream of Social Security payments.

That little piece of math jargon might not mean much if you don’t have fond memories of  Economics 101 class. But don’t worry, it’s easy to understand if you think of these two extremes:

If you want to retire in your 30s like I did, the value of your future Social Security is pretty close to zero. Even if the government keeps all of its promises, those payments are so far in the future that you need to save a full retirement ‘stash to get through the three decades until it kicks in.

On the other hand, if you’re already over 60 years old, contributed to Social Security throughout your long career and have a low cost of living, you may be eligible for payments that already meet all your needs. 

In this situation, you are set for life. Social Security will in theory cover all your needs and rise automatically with inflation, so you don’t have to save any additional money.

In between these two extremes, the math gets interesting. Because while most people assume Social Security is useless until you reach full eligibility, the real story is that you can think of it as a chunk of money that you already have right now, which reduces the amount of saving you have to do on your own. 

And there’s an easy way to calculate it, with an extremely useful thing called the Net Present Value calculation.

There’s an actual formula for this, but don’t worry you don’t have to memorize it because you can just have any Internet calculator, AI tool or spreadsheet do the math for you.

Where:

  • PMT is the monthly payment you want
  • r is the monthly interest rate you expect from investments (annual rate / 12)
  • n is the number of months you want the stream to continue

First let’s calculate the value a young couple might get if they do this calculation at 30 years old. We just have to make a few assumptions to have numbers plug into the formula:

  • A future Social Security income of $4000 per month ($2000 each)
  • They will collect those payments starting at 62 and then live to 92 (so it’s a 30 year stream of payments
  • A compounding rate for investments of about 6% after inflation

When you plug in all the numbers and calculate this (the Net Present Value of a 30 year stream of income), the first number you’ll get is $667,166. But that’s not the final answer – that is how much you’d need if you wanted the payments to start right now.

The final step is applying a simpler version of the formula a second time, to account for the fact that you don’t need the money until 32 years from now:

At that point, you end up with a number around $98,280. But what does this mean?

It means that if you stuck $98k into an investment account today and let it compound for 32 years, at that point it would be big enough to provide a stream of $4000 payments for the following 30 years. And this even takes future inflation into account!

It also means that the 30 year old retirees can mark an imaginary $98k onto their “net worth” spreadsheet and save that much less. Or at least think of it as a nice safety margin.

If you’re new to money and math, that may sound like sorcery, but if you’ve been investing for long enough you will understand that it really does work that way. So let’s re-run the example for a couple who is already 62 years old, and needs a $5000 income starting right now, that still needs to last 30 years. 

That NPV calculation looks like this:

And the answer is right around $834,000. 

What this means, is that if they invested $834,000 into a fund that paid out 6% per year for 30 years before running dry, they’d get that exact same $5000 monthly income. And it would keep up with inflation.

 Now that we’ve seen these examples from the extreme ends of the spectrum, we can see how this applies in a more typical situation. Here’s one that is loosely based on one from a real person I worked with last year:

Shane Survivor is 55 and he has been through some hard times. He lost most of his savings in a business blowup a few years back, but really wishes he could still retire soon. His financial picture:

  • $3000 monthly expenses including upkeep on a small house he owns
  • $250k in remaining investments
  • No debt

Most financial advisors would tell him to tough it out and  just keep working until he hits Social Security eligibility. At least 62 to get the minimum benefits, but maybe even longer to get to Full Retirement Age (67) or even until 70 to get the maximum benefit. 

But wait! Let’s do the math because who wants to work another fifteen years when you’re already tired of working at 55!

Shane logs into the Social Security website SSA.gov and uses the online tool to calculate what his payout will be. I just did this myself so we can use my numbers:

Let’s start by calculating the Net Present Value of each of these three options for our 55-year old friend:

  • $1968/month from age 62-90 is like having $210,433 today
  • $2796/month from age 67-90 is like having $203,849 today
  • $3467/month from age 70-90 is like having $197,192 today

Whoa wait a minute, that’s a counterintuitive result!  Am I really telling you that it’s actually less valuable to work longer so you can get the higher benefits? The answer is yes, for people who understand the concepts of “investing” and “the time value of money”.

To really understand this, just imagine what would happen if you started taking those payments as early as possible (age 62) and tossed them into an index fund, earning 6% after inflation on average. After the first year, you’d already have about $24,300 and you’d still be piling in that extra two grand per month and the whole snowball would be starting to compound.

 By the time your more patient friends started drawing $2796 payments five years later, you’d already have over $137,000. It’s such a big lead that the 67-year-old will never catch up.

But let’s go back to Shane’s real situation and see if he can retire:

  • He needs $3000 per month to make ends meet
  • His investment account holds $250,000
  • Applying the Shockingly Simple Math (Net Present Value) to his Social Security Numbers gave us about $210,000
  • If you take this total amount ($460,000) and apply my other shockingly simple math number – the 4% rule – you end up with $18,400 – still far below his $36,000 annual spending target.

So the answer is no, not quite yet. But he’s closer than it looks: every year of additional work will have a triple effect because it will:

  • Increase the eventual social security payment
  • Decrease the number of remaining years he has to cover before SS kicks in
  • Increase his $250k stash through extra savings and natural appreciation.

As soon as his combined ‘stash investment income plus the Social Security payment reach $3000 per month, he’s done.

And of course, any additional tricks he can apply like streamlining his spending and boosting his income, will make this even faster. I’d give him about three years before reaching liftoff.

So how can YOU use this information to speed up your own retirement?

The net effect of Social Security is that it should help you worry a little less and work a little less. The worrying part should benefit everyone, and the working part is kind of a sliding scale:

  • In your early 30s, accounting for Social Security will allow you to retire 1-2 years earlier
  • In your 60s, Social security is already here, and it can allow you to retire up to 30 years earlier, in the case that you have no other savings but can live on those payments alone

Can we just put this in ONE SIMPLE TABLE based on some reasonable assumptions?

Yes, absolutely! Just to hit the most common situation, let’s assume a household that has

  • two people
  • each qualifying for an SS benefit of $2000 per month
  • planning to take the benefits as early as possible (age 62)

How much is this future benefit worth you you, based on your current age?

These aren’t enormous FAT Fire numbers, but every one of them is enough to feel like a meaningful contribution to your eventual early jump into freedom. For example as a 51-year-old, I can look at my number of roughly $350,000 and say yeah, that’s quite a big boost – enough to buy an entire house in many areas of the country or enough to fund multiple lifetimes of high-end groceries. And until now I had never even considered it as part of my retirement savings!

Frequently Asked (or Complained) Questions

Now that we’ve covered the facts, I can already hear the complaints coming. 

What if Social Security is canceled or greatly reduced by the time I reach that age?

Yeah, it might happen, but it’s also a top priority for most voters in our aging population. So it’s hard for politicians to make cuts. What is more likely is that the benefits will be cut for wealthier people. And if you find yourself in that camp (as I do), you won’t actually need the payments. 

Sure, it’s not “fair”, but you know what? I can think of more fun ways to enjoy the fact that I’m a rich person rather than complaining about how some government program is “unfair”, and so can you.

 Nobody can live on just a Social Security check!

First of all, millions of people do. In fact, last time I checked my own annual spending it was under $30k, most of it on optional luxuries, which is less than my expected payout! 

But more importantly, most of us won’t have to, because we are also investing healthy sums on our own.

I’m still scared and worried about something else!

Now this is the root of the issue. In fact, worry is the root of almost all issues. And so that’s what we need to focus on in our future work. For some reason, I have managed to live the last twenty years pretty much completely free from financial worries, and I had assumed everyone else was the same way. But it turns out this is not the case, even among people much wealthier and more advantaged than I am.

So in the next article, we need to get into that.

Your Homework:

Log yourself into ssa.gov, and if it’s your first time doing that – congratulations! Note that new users will need to create an account, and they’ll guide you to login.gov for that purpose. Don’t fret, it’s very useful to have this account for multiple reasons.

In the comments:

  • What are your own thoughts, plans and experiences with Social Security, or its equivalent in your own country?
  • How much do you worry about your financial future, or the future of the world given all the bad things that are in the news these days? (hint: in my 51 years of life there have been bad things in the news every single day and yet here we are with the world still turning)

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Bonus Materials: the Quirk of Social Security Contributions

If you log in to check on your Social Security account when you’re still young, you’ll see some confusing stuff – basically it tells you how much your payout will be if you continue working and contributing for a ridiculously long 35 year period!

Your benefit is calculated by taking an average of your 35 highest years of earnings, which sounds bleak for people like me who only worked a ten-year career, because in theory that average might contain mostly zeroes. But never fear because:

  • You qualify for the basic minimum amount after only ten years of work
  • People who retire very early usually tend to continue earning some self-employment income in the in-between years (further raising that average)
  • The whole system is scaled progressively. It is designed to help and subsidize people who need it more, and it becomes less of a “good deal” the higher your income. 

To illustrate this point, I ran a simulation of two people who each make a $100k salary and contribute accordingly, but one retires after 10 years and that poor second guy works the full 35.  Look at the difference in their benefits:

So the early retiree only worked and contributed about 28% as much as the late retiree. But his benefits are still a much higher 45% of the big earner’s payouts. In summary? Social Security provides a mild incentive for slacking.

One other factor: after retiring earlier, you might still end up contributing more than you think. This is because any income you earn later in life through optional employment (or self employment) will trigger more contributions. In my 21 years of retirement, I have ended up earning and contributing more during about 15 of those years, bringing my average level up much higher than I originally expected.

Final Tip: If in doubt, ask your Favorite AI

Even though this has become a long article, it is still far from a complete analysis of the Social Security program. If you want to learn more, I’ve found the AI tools (Anthropic’s Claude, Google Gemini or OpenAI’s Chat GPT) to be shockingly useful at answering questions and running analyses. If you haven’t started using these in your financial research, I highly recommend them. Just search for any of those names (or install the phone app), start typing your questions, and you’ll be learning at a rapid pace within moments.

  • Brian April 16, 2026, 12:26 pm

    This Net Present Value framework completely changes the math for me. As an active investor, I’ve been weighing whether to claim early and invest the checks or wait.

    I turn 64 this November, and by delaying just one year, I effectively ‘buy’ a guaranteed, inflation-indexed ~7% bump in my benefits for life. In today’s market, where valuations feel ‘rich’ and finding a low-risk 7% return is tough, I’ve decided to apply some ‘valuation discipline.’

    I’m following Warren Buffett’s lead here—holding some cash and waiting for a ‘fat pitch’ or a market correction, all while letting my Social Security asset grow safely on the sidelines at a rate the market can’t currently guarantee. Thanks for providing the framework to look at it this way

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  • Bill April 16, 2026, 12:37 pm

    Thank you for this. I have passed the point of early retirement, but am quickly approaching normal retirement age.

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  • David Moschella April 16, 2026, 12:43 pm

    Despite my better judgement I recently had a meeting with a ‘wealth management advisor’ to review my situation. I shared a net worth spreadsheet I made that added NPV for Social Security into my Net Worth. I was admonished that this is not correct, you can’t do that! Needless to say they did not get my business nor another fool for their AUM business model.

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    • Tim E Cathcart April 21, 2026, 2:34 pm

      I would think your findings are pretty universal as these folks don’t want you clued in on the fact that paying an AUM fee becomes very expensive…

      Do you might sharing what company this “wealth advisor” was representing or working thru?

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  • Joshua Jenson April 16, 2026, 12:45 pm

    Collecting Social Security before Full Retirement Age can be affected by the earnings test if you’re still earning income. I’ve never thought about the ROI on SS if you take it at 62 and invest all of it vs waiting – that is a very provoking idea. Albeit the idea rests on the assumption that you can sustain your lifestyle without recognizing earnings income, or needing any of the money from social security.

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    • Nick Doran April 17, 2026, 9:19 am

      Yeah, that’s the rub. Most people are taking SS early because they need it. They are not going to be able to save it. Probably not the case for most people reading this blog, though.

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      • Bill April 17, 2026, 4:16 pm

        I don’t think it makes much difference if you spend it or invest it, because money is fungible. If it keeps you from pulling it out of a Roth which is earning money tax-free, then I think it’s a win (assuming you’re retired).

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  • Bryan April 16, 2026, 12:51 pm

    I don’t have much fear about the money portion just the lifespan aspect. As healthy as we are, there are plenty of 50-65 year olds that drop dead or are diagnosed with cancer out of the blue. I’ll take it at 62.

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  • Mark April 16, 2026, 12:52 pm

    Great article. When I was younger, I never included Social Security in my retirement planning. Not that I thought it wouldn’t be there, but just to be conservative and not have to necessarily rely on it. Now that I a few years away from collecting, I absolutely include it my planning and my retirement budget is much better than I had planned. So a nice “surprise”. I just hope Social Security doesn’t get means-tested in retirement. I agree with your points on potential impacts because we planned well and now have money, but still don’t want it reduced :-).

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    • Andy April 17, 2026, 10:48 pm

      Same! I saved heavy (relatively, I hadn’t heard of FIRE) and now don’t NEED SS, but at 55 soon, if I stop working and don’t collect until 67, I’ll get $4k/mo. Combined with a $1.5k pension, that takes a lot of load off my 401(k)! Plus my wife will get a little SS too.

      Here’s the thing that MMM didn’t explicitly spell out in the article with the NPV calculation. I haven’t done the math, but if I take it earlier, I don’t need to invest it. It’s ALREADY invested. When I use it for my expenses instead of pulling from my retirement investments, THOSE investments are effectively getting to grow by not withdrawing them.

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  • joy April 16, 2026, 12:54 pm

    Question, and maybe I missed this in the post. My guy is 63 and makes great money at a job he likes. If he started taking his SS now, I’m pretty sure there is a significant “fine” or “penalty” – something like $1 for every $2 over $25000-ish. I think all the money would come back to him after age 70, but that’s a hefty chunk, likely more than his SS (haven’t run those numbers yet.) How would we reconcile this? Thanks for any intel

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:53 pm

      Hiya Joy, we talk about this further down in the comments below, so read on.

      But in summary, you are correct: if someone is already employed in a job they like that earns significantly over $25k/year, there is no real benefit to drawing the social security early. Just enjoy those paychecks and maybe spend them a bit more freely knowing that they will be replaced pretty nicely whenever he does retire.

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      • Maureen April 16, 2026, 9:28 pm

        Yes–I received unexpected referral income my first two years after claiming SS at 63 (during COVID–I could die anytime and not getting any SS would really suck!). I ended up paying back like $24k for a year or two. I gather repayments give you credit later, though my SS checks didn’t see a noticeable jump.

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  • Asim April 16, 2026, 12:58 pm

    I’m a big fan from india … Please write a book !

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:57 pm

      Thanks for reading Asim!

      I’m far too retired to be willing to put in the hard work to write a book, but you might enjoy the Boot Camp email series if you haven’t already joined:

      https://mrmoneymustache.kit.com/eb263fb301

      This is a stream of about 54 weekly emails, which collectively are MORE than an entire book of content. They represent thousands of hours of writing time and have all been updated to be relevant even in the modern world. And the series is FREE to join!

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      • Mariah April 17, 2026, 11:06 am

        Refreshing response!

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      • Brandon April 17, 2026, 5:06 pm

        Ya know, my guess is Claude could probably turn your content into a book that you could self publish on Amazon. And you could probably do it from your phone while riding your bike!

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        • Mr. Money Mustache April 18, 2026, 8:48 pm

          Hmmm you do make a good point here Brandon. Long ago, I did start the process of working on a book and I quickly came to the realization,

          “Waaaait a minute… writing a book sounds glamorous and prestigious, but what it really means is spending even MORE time sitting in front of the computer. I don’t need MORE of this, I need LESS!”

          But if the AI tools really do get smart enough to fetch and reformat and weave everything together nicely, and I can just make one pass through to read and make some touch ups here and there, it would be worth it.

          The cool part is I can run this experiment any time – have Claude or one of his buddies make a crack at it and just judge the results. If I don’t like ’em, try it again a few months later with the next version. Eventually it will probably get to be a better “me” than I am and then we’re in business ;-)

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          • C April 19, 2026, 12:17 pm

            Check into the copyright issue when using AI for creative and/or enterprising projects. I’ve heard the AI company can claim your content as their own once you input it into their AI. Not sure what this means for your potential profit.

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  • Bruce Lemieux April 16, 2026, 1:20 pm

    I get the math, but I didn’t go through your details. The first fundamental question most ask is “when do I take SS? Do I take a reduced payment starting at 62 or do I wait for a larger payment at 67?”. Answers to a couple basic questions can be a guide. “How’s your health?”. It it’s not great, you should likely take it at 62. Even if you don’t don’t need it, invest it and leave it to your heirs. You could have a lot less money by waiting until 67. Second question: “Do you need the money now?”. If you don’t have investments or income to cover your needs, you probably have no choice but to take the reduced payment at 62. “What if I’m very healthy and I don’t currently need SS?” That’s trickier. This person needs to do the math laid out above to figure out the best investment strategy over time. Maybe you can take a lower payment starting at 62, invest it well, and get a better return than getting a much higher payment at 67. Different situations will have different answers. Also – your spouse’s situation be considered. When a spouse dies, the individual gets 50% of the spouses benefit. The low earning spouse may want to start SS at 62 and the spouse with the higher benefit wait until 67 to maximize the future death benefit. There’s an entire galaxy of articles and videos on this. I think the answer is pretty straight forward for many people based on the answers to the first two questions above.

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    • Tara April 17, 2026, 4:01 am

      I think when your spouse dies, you get either your benefit or your spouse’s benefit, whichever is higher. When my mom died my dad got none of her benefit.

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    • Andy April 17, 2026, 10:58 pm

      “Answers to a couple basic questions can be a guide. “How’s your health?”. It it’s not great, you should likely take it at 62.”

      Depends on the cause of why it’s not great. If it’s because your diet and lifestyle suck, fix that.

      The main reason I want to retire early (and it’s happening either this year at 55, or maybe next year) is four colleagues I respected and liked who worked into their sixties and got less than five years of retirement before passing. One got MONTHS. Work 35 years and then less than five years of retirement? Bullshit.

      None of them were obese or anything, but two of the four could (IMO) have lived much longer had they exercised… ever, and laid off the shitty food. The other two were cancer and early dementia, which may not be avoidable by just trying to live right, but at least if you can retire early you can get twelve years before they take you, instead of four.

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    • Jackie April 29, 2026, 11:59 am

      I just have to ask – is this the Bruce I used to work with (MKC) and talked finances with before he retired!?

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  • Jiri April 16, 2026, 1:21 pm

    I retired at 62 (2 years ago) with a lot of help from MMM which I started reading and following 10-12 years ago.
    Having been selfemployed my world crashed during the great recession and I lost everything: busienss, home, work, insurance plus a bankrupcy – at 50 years old.(but that’s a different story)

    I (we) are going to take social security at 70 yrs old. Why? 2 reasons: delaying social security withdrawals increases your payment by 8% per year until 70. This to me is a pretty good guaranteed return. Part of our retirement savings is conventional and part ROTH. Using the conventional savings from now until 70 will create the lowest tax burden and hopefully eliminate all or most of the required minimum withdrawals that when added to your social security payment will increase your tax burden. The ROTH part will stay invested and grow, when withdrawn during social security it will not increase your tax burden.

    The big question is: how much will you need? If you have followed MMM, you pretty much know what your annual spending is and has been for a while. That is the number should be your target wether it is $10 000 or a million per year.

    Thanks for a great website!

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    • Mark April 16, 2026, 1:49 pm

      Another big question is life expectancy. My father passed away at 64 and my mother is still around at 84 and is self-sufficient. If I anticipate a short life expectancy, I’m claiming at 62 for sure.

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      • Jiri April 16, 2026, 4:07 pm

        A very good point which is usually brought up when doing financial planning. What is your “end of plan”, and you have to look at your health, family history and anything else that might affect it. But much like taking charge of your financial health by living beneath your means and having a margin of safety you can approach your health. Take care of your health through excercise, nutrition and not living a risky lifestyle should increase your chance of actually becoming old. Yes you could get hit by a truck tomorrow but worrying about it will not make you happier. Try to put yourself on a path to success and if something bad happens, at least you have lived a good life rather then wasted it worrying.

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      • lurker May 2, 2026, 1:58 pm

        any discussion of taxes or did I miss that????? federal, state and local all mess with these calculations I would think and could change upward over time….

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 4:02 pm

      Wow, huge congratulations Jiri! That is a nice recovery from being totally broke in 2008, to retiring in 2024.

      I still remember 2008 myself and in from a financial perspective it doesn’t seem like all that long ago. On the other hand, I was only 2-3 years into retirement at the time and had a two year old son. So I was a bit more worried about money and was getting a LOT less free time and full nights of sleep at the time.

      But it has been a lovely journey and now my 20-year-old is coding away in his own office just down the hall from mine. Life is good.

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      • Jiri April 16, 2026, 4:17 pm

        Thanks! “Life is good” is an expession to live by, we have it mounted on our veggie garden.
        Rock bottom actually came 2011 with bankrupcy and total loss at almost 50 to start all over. You blog was very helpful in showing that so many things in life don’t cost a thing. Still go for a walk every morning, hikes, bikerides, gardening, cooking. My best financial year was maybe 80K and 40 K was average in those years with my wife working part time. But making a lot of soup and packing lunch every day cut down on costs. I really think that anyone can do it – you showed the way for me. As far as the finances – again, many of your tips; Buffet, Munger, Lynch, Graham, etc. Read for free from the library and learn something new that nobody can take away from you. You have done very well by yourself and your family as well as the whole community, thanks again!

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  • Greg April 16, 2026, 1:25 pm

    There seems to be something missing from the theoretical “young couple” who is 30 years old, will start drawing social security at 60, and want to draw until 90. What are the PMT, r, and n in that instance? The formula checks out for the theoretical 60 year-old couple ($834,000), but I’m not understanding how the output for the formula for the 30 year-old couple is $91,000. Please help!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 4:03 pm

      Hey Greg – scroll down a few more comments and see Katie’s similar question, we answered it there.

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  • Dennis April 16, 2026, 1:25 pm

    One thing that I would like to bring up is the rate of inflation. In my opinion, the correct rate of inflation is around 6 % ( yes, I tried to actually compute it and did not rely on published figures) . This means that even an investment like an index fund is often just about keeping up with inflation. That is a 0% return after adjusting for inflation.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:28 pm

      Hahaha, yeah I guess for some people it can feel like that. In fact, there’s an entire website called shadowstats that tries to make this point.

      I actually feel the opposite way: not only are the government-collected figures quite rigorous and fair, they are really quite conservative/pessimistic. Why? Because in my opinion they don’t sufficiently account for the vast increase in the quality of all our goods over time. Faster computers and better TVs of course, but infinitely better mountain bikes that are cheaper than when I was a student 30 years ago. And access to spectacular learning and research, now free, which you used to have to pay for with university tuition. Even housing has increased in quality, so that a modest suburban house today is nicer than its counterpart in my childhood (9 foot ceilings, bigger kitchen, better insulation, etc)

      Medical procedures and child care have definitely risen faster than core inflation, but they are still factored in as the overall inflation number.

      And finally, just anecdotally: my own cost of living goes up more slowly than inflation. Because my main spending categories are food and household goods.

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      • Elena April 17, 2026, 12:15 pm

        “And access to spectacular learning and research, now free, which you used to have to pay for with university tuition.” Is this a subtle suggestion college might not be as worthwhile as people think? Learning and research have long been accessible for free through libraries. But access alone isn’t the same as opportunity. Without a college degree, I wouldn’t be anywhere close to financial independence or even have a realistic path toward it. Speaking as a woman who immigrated to the US on my own, with $500, limited English and no support system – without college my path would have looked very different.

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      • Dennis April 17, 2026, 12:28 pm

        The big ticket items: Accommodation ( the land, not the brick/mortar ), medical care, child care, higher education, car payments, insurance, taxes of various kinds, regulatory compliance etc. are a significantly larger portion of a persons expenses than the items that that actually have gotten cheaper ( computers, mountain bikes, food etc.) compared to published figure of inflation.

        Consider this – some decades back _relatively_ more people could easily afford a house than today. Potentially they could have been debt free earlier than today. My point is that the numbers are deceiving even if they seem enticing.

        An indirect way to calculated relative inflation is this: Hypothetically if a person works and saves for one year, for how many months/years will he be able to pull on if he were not working? Anecdotally I’m sure that this figure will be way higher in the 80’s than today.

        That said all the planning that we do with SS, age of retirement, investments etc. is still valid because one is minimizing the losses due to inflation. What most people are not doing, is significantly profiting to a point where one is clearly beating inflation, except occasionally by a small margin. ( say around 2% or so)

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  • ThomasHardyFan April 16, 2026, 1:30 pm

    Yeah NPV is the cleanest quant way to look at it. Although NPV ignores a lot of qualitative downside;

    SS is generally a bad deal as you give up;
    Future compounding of capital, often over decades.
    Chance to pass on a significant inheritance to kith and kin.
    The optionality of drawing down from the capital before state retirement age and having control of that capital throughout.

    And instead you face;
    The non trivial risk of dying before you reach retirement age and getting zero.
    Being deprived of present value and the agency of choosing how to spend that value during your healthiest years of life.
    If it were a good deal it wouldn’t be mandatory – compulsion is the ultimate price fix.
    SS is a forced annuity with the citizen being dragooned into swallowing all the attendant political and actuarial risk.
    In return for:
    A high probability of a modest handout from an ever shifting point in the future from an already structurally insolvent state.

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    • Marcus April 18, 2026, 1:51 am

      Haven’t commented in a long time, but an interesting point I just realized recently and worth sharing given your comment is that some places you don’t pay into social security–university hospital systems, for instance. It’s worth looking at one’s own social security contributions and even looking at one’s W2’s to confirm one is actually paying into social security…and, if not, that may actually be a good thing as you point out!

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    • The Social Capitalist April 19, 2026, 7:29 am

      And yet it was clearly better than the alternative in the 1930s. As a Hardy fan you should know consequences when there are no alternatives.

      Absolutely as an investment- not great! IT ISN’T AN INVESTMENT- it’s insurance!

      As far as being a bad deal because it’s compulsory, I guess paying for streetlights, paved roads, and fire and police are bad deals too.
      Sheesh, I’ll never get how much ALL of us benefit from govt. but poo poo it.

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      • Thornton April 22, 2026, 2:59 pm

        Even in the 1930s, SS would have only been a better alternative for those who don’t save on their own. Even in your rewording, it remains an unappealing insurance – you would come out ahead self-insuring. Never mind that it’s another forced redistribution of our tax dollars.

        Paying property taxes is completely different in structure and in return than paying FICA – but you already knew that before giving your response.

        SS is a bum deal for anyone with the discipline to save for your own retirement.

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      • ThomasHardyFan April 24, 2026, 2:30 pm

        Modern states have means tested benefits for senior citizens in penury. I doubt most people see their personal SS as a communal utility. Utilities like sewage treatment and communication infrastructure are hugely positive sum per $ spent. SS is collectively deflationary -its a promise implicitly backed by future gov borrowing. SS isnt insurance either. Insurance is backed by capital and has price discovery. In the UK the state describes SS as a ‘benefit’.

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        • The Social Capitalist May 2, 2026, 7:49 am

          Most people don’t see the effects of not having SS. I would view not having your parents (relations) forced into your house or onto the streets as a valuable utility.

          And as for not being insurance – you’re correct in that it actually pays back the people who put in money, unlike most insurance. And insurance is definitely beneficial if your house burns down.

          We could argue the “capital” portion all day – there is a funding process where money is paid out monthly -,much like insurance. See it as your will, hate it as you want, but the alternative that’s better for you (and probably me) is not better for us.

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  • Dee April 16, 2026, 1:30 pm

    I recently reviewed this amount as an early retiree. Superannuation in New Zealand pays $25k (NZD) per annum for a single person from the age of 65. The only issue is future governments increasing the age of eligibility. This will cover the essentials leaving my current budget available for discretionary spending. Maybe I should be increasing my 4% spend now as there are no guarantees on health or longevity.

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  • The Orchard April 16, 2026, 1:40 pm

    Something that really helped me with the mental math of Social Security is the concept of bend points.

    Bend points are lifetime earnings milestones that govern how much Social Security pays out to you. For all income up to the first bend point, you get about 90 cents back from Social Security for every dollar you pay in. After that, it drops off steeply. For income between the first and second bend points, you get more like 32 cents on the dollar, and after the second bend point, you get about 15 cents.

    Right now in 2026, you hit the first bend point at something like $540,000 of total lifetime earnings, and the second bend point is around $3.25 million.

    The great news for early retirees is that, because Social Security’s payout formula tails off so quickly for higher earners (as you mentioned in the article), it really doesn’t matter very much that we won’t have 35 full years of contributions. Just by working a few years, we get most of the benefits. After that, it’s a game of diminishing returns where you have to work for years and years just to increase your benefit by a small amount. No thanks – I’d rather be retired!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 4:14 pm

      Great summary of the bend points, thanks Orchard! (I had never even heard of those terms until I started doing the research for this article)

      From a selfish perspective, being a Mustachian/FIRE person is also quite accidentally the perfect way to maximize your ROI on those SS payments. By maximizing our savings from our short working careers, we put less into the low-return portions of the SS return chart.

      Of course, that money is not just going up in smoke or going into the Golden Toilets for Trump Mansions Fund- it’s helping to fund the retirement of another person who is far less wealthy than me and probably had to work all the way up to age 67 while I’ve been enjoying freedom since I was 30.

      Which is also relevant to me because my small business activities in the 21 years of retirement so far have seen me making SS contributions on most years after all.

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      • Kathleen Coco April 17, 2026, 6:33 am

        It’s a bit of a throwaway point in the third paragraph about a basic income for the less wealthy, but I would like to highlight this.
        65yo so graduated college in the last wave of “SS is going under and won’t exist”.
        I, at the time and ongoing, consider it to be a benefit that SS supports people I don’t want to personally have financial responsibility for. For example, family members who made anti MM choices in every aspect of their lives.
        Yes it seemed annoying to pay into a system with little hope of direct reward to myself, but it felt of great benefit to me to pay into a system that would financially support my parents at some basic level.

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  • Jed Wood April 16, 2026, 1:42 pm

    In my own notes, but pulled from a Reddit comment a few years ago (sorry for the lack of citation):

    “Your spouse gets survival benefits if you pass away early. A common strategy is to have the person with lower SSA start collecting at 62, and wait until 70 for the high earner.”

    There is something appealing about the kind of “longevity insurance” SS can provide, by being inflation-protected.

    I plan to just wait until I get close to 60, assess my health and spending needs, and figure it out then.

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  • Dan April 16, 2026, 1:50 pm

    I’m 60, retired 6 years now. My plan is take it at 62. Add it to the stash. Continue to use the 4% rule. At that point I estimate that I’ll only be taking about 2.5% of none SS $ from the stash. After a few years I anticipate the stash will grow at a slightly faster rate. Then I can do more charitable giving and maybe stay at fancier hotels 🏨 😃 while slow 🐌 traveling.

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  • Katie April 16, 2026, 1:59 pm

    Question about your calculation – where is the time between current and the beginning of monthly payments included? In other words, for your first example, where is the 30 years before they start receiving their $5000 payment included in the PV calculation?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:21 pm

      Great question.. in the equations I showed in this article, they don’t show that more complex calculation: they are only showing how to calculate the present value of a stream of payments as it would apply *right now*.

      To get the full value you need to calculate “the net present value of a 30 year stream of inflation-adjusted $5000 per month payments that starts 30 years from now”

      So you’d solve the simpler equation first to get the NPV for that stream of payments on whatever day it starts, and then re-apply the NPV formula for a fixed chunk of future money, brought forward to today.

      Nowadays, the best way to do that is to just type the sentence into your favorite AI assistant and watch as it generates a well-explained step-by-step summary , and iterate as much as you want if you want to tweak some of the assumptions.

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  • Jim Dreyer April 16, 2026, 2:30 pm

    I look at taking SS at 62 as a way of protecting our main nest egg, letting it grow. Keeping cost of living down is key. We will both take it at 62, and basically live off SS, and spend the rest on us. Great article!! Thanks for getting people talking.

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  • Sarah April 16, 2026, 2:31 pm

    In summary, at 62, highest NPV, retire early at 62 and collect SS. Living to 90 is not a certainty and most of us wont!

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    • Kathleen Coco April 17, 2026, 6:39 am

      It can be interesting to look at various actuarial tables when near to sixty. Especially ones that take longevity habits in to account. I was a bit floored to find one that put mine at 106yo. The picture changes as you attain years behind you and excellent health.

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      • Sarah April 17, 2026, 8:46 am

        Yep, but not my case. With my health if I make to 70 I’ll be happy.

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  • Shane April 16, 2026, 2:38 pm

    The legend returns. For myself, because I am still quite young (19), I don’t really plan on using social security in my calculations. I know the NPV calculation is legit, and I use it often for my own assets, but I think for my own situation I would rather SS play the role of margin. I was reading an earlier post, “It’s All About the Safety Margin” recently that uses SS as “the fifth level of margin,” which I think feels about right.

    In terms of any fears anyone has right now, I’d say you have it spot on with your hint MM. Certain global conflicts have been filling my Apple News app like crazy, and the yet the market surges for all time highs nonetheless. It really is best just to tune it all out and keep investing.

    Thanks for another great article!

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  • CC April 16, 2026, 2:47 pm

    Fantastic post as always. I am struggling mightily right now with family lifestyle expectations derailing a path to early retirement. Not sure how to right the ship.

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  • Dave April 16, 2026, 3:04 pm

    Interestingly, I just happened to do a bit of SSA math yesterday and it got me thinking. I had always assumed that waiting until age 70 was the thing to do. My savings/retirement accounts are in good shape to take me from now (early/mid 50s) until I turn 70 (and beyond) so I thought the larger SSA income at age 70 could come in handy, especially if the market had turned south early in my retirement. However, taking the distributions at 62 and investing them for the 8 years until I turn 70 results in a nest egg that would return enough to make up for the difference in SSA distributions between 62 and 70 (assuming at least 5% average return). Hmmm…

    The only thing I haven’t really looked at is the fact that I’ll be working to roll my IRA into a Roth/cash quite aggressively so as to minimize RMDs when I turn 75. Given that these rollovers are going to be taxed as income, I run the risk of getting taxed at a higher rate when I start receiving social security. There might be an argument to avoid social security until I’m 70 to give me 8 extra years to drain my IRA/401k stash without bumping into the 20+% tax bracket. More math to be done, but I have a bit of time still.

    Interesting and timely article!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:49 pm

      Cool calculations Dave and I think you’ll do well either way.

      But I’d like to turn things around and ask a question to you and anyone else reading this: I hear many people expressing concern about taxation on required minimum distributions (RMDs) starting at age 75.

      But my thought has always been: by the time I’m 75, will I really care about minimizing taxes? By that time, if I have so much money that RMDs put me into a high tax bracket, it means I am absolutely swimming in the stuff, while my remaining years of life are rapidly dwindling. It will be more than I can spend. And by that time our children will also be in their 40s and 50s and thus probably very wealthy too.

      So the thought of optimizing tax rates will be one of the last things on my mind – I’ll be focusing on doing healthy outdoor shit and trying to squeeze the most out of my life, while riding on a huge surplus of money. Worry free!

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      • Dave April 17, 2026, 1:54 pm

        Yeah, you’re absolutely right – avoiding high marginal tax rates at 75 is a champagne problem that probably isn’t worth losing sleep over. I plan on worrying more about how to finish trail ultras in my 70s without running into the time cut-off (I actually ran a 100-miler with a 76-year-old recently, so hopefully this is a reasonable thing to worry about).

        By the way, I live just down the diagonal highway from you and am also a Canadian computer engineer. I am just taking a little longer than you to decide to hang it up as I still enjoy my work, and only put in about 20 hours of paid labour a week (as of 8 years ago).

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      • Joe April 20, 2026, 2:17 pm

        There’s a bit of fine print regarding estate taxes. I used to assume the estate thresholds were generous, and heirs wouldn’t have to worry about taxes on their inheritance. However, here’s the catch: the pre-tax money in IRAs and 401ks is taxed at the heirs’ current tax rates. If you have a significant amount of pre-tax money, potentially over $2.5 million as I recall seeing in a YouTube video, it might be beneficial to delay Social Security until age 70. This allows you to use the years between 60 and 75, when you likely have no salary, to convert pre-tax funds to Roth accounts. This strategy simplifies things for your heirs and can result in them paying less in taxes overall.

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      • Roger April 28, 2026, 2:44 pm

        Quite right that this is a “first world” or “champagne” problem. For me it comes down to whether you want to care about generational wealth. I have 4 adult children and 3 grandkids (so far!). And while the tax savings is not going to make a huge difference in what they inherit, the way I look at it is that every dollar I don’t pay Uncle Sam is one more to give those grandkids a leg up on their FIRE dreams. To me that is worth expending a little bit of grey matter to do the math to minimize lifetime taxes.

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  • Chris April 16, 2026, 3:08 pm

    Social security
    Whoa Nellie! Yes, of course you can start taking SS at age 62. As mentioned above, if you have taxable income above about $22,000, then $1 of SS is withheld per $2 of earnings above the $22,000. Not to worry, when you reach your full retirement age, you get the withheld money back. But those withheld dollars can’t be invested from age 62-67.
    Next, you can’t just “toss your SS check into an index fund and make 6% after inflation.” First, those capital gains might be taxed at 0, 15, or even 20%. More importantly, those are not guaranteed. Social security goes up 8% per year of delayed filing, PLUS inflation. And those increases, unlike the aforementioned index funds, are not subject to taxation along the way. So filing early and index funding vs delayed filing is comparing a speculative taxable strategy with a guaranteed tax deferred strategy.

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    • Jeff April 16, 2026, 3:31 pm

      It’s not taxable income that counts towards the $22,000, it is earned income. The two can be quite different (think dividends, interest, capital gains vs. salary).

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:35 pm

      Good points Chris, although a couple of corrections:

      – as of 2026, the Social Security earnings limit has been raised to $24,480 which is a nice bump from the $22k you cited
      – and there’s a HUGE loophole in that number: it does not include your dividend and capital gains income, which is likely the majority of a Mustachian’s income statement by the time they reach that age!

      As for the index fund: you won’t be paying capital gains taxes on your index fund investments until you sell them. And then when you do eventually withdraw, they’ll be receiving very favorable tax treatment (possibly even 0% if you’re in a modest tax bracket) So the compounding effect is real.

      And no, they are not guaranteed, but the US economy / stock market is statistically very reliable over multi-decade periods like our retirements are, so I don’t really see much distinction between “guaranteed” and “very high probability of success”. After all, life itself is far from guaranteed.

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      • Dave April 17, 2026, 1:57 pm

        Oh wow, I didn’t realize that dividends and capital gains didn’t count against the earnings limit. That largely eliminates my (small) worry about how to draw down my IRA before RMDs kick in. The math/risk definitely is leaning towards taking SS at 62 now (for me).

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      • Guy April 20, 2026, 4:22 pm

        Yes, but don’t forget that 401k distributions do count as ordinary income and affect the amount of tax you pay on SS. It’s a slightly different question, but one that shouldn’t be completely ignored.

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  • Stoney April 16, 2026, 3:33 pm

    Pete – you mentioned that the SSA.gov estimator assumes you keep working until drawing social security (at age 62 to 67). Did your example update the calculator to show zero dollars of earnings between the year that Shane Survivor Retires early (55 or whenever) and when he could draw social security at age 62?

    Kudos for using present value to figure out what value social security payments have relative to the current value of your portfolio. One more aspect to consider when thinking of the value of social security is to find the monthly payment you would get when you start claiming it in the future. Then realize that, if your 62nd birthday is still 20 years away (or 5 or 10 or 30), you have inflation decreasing the buying power of that $2k for the whole time between now and that future age. (similar present value calc, but just figuring what the equivalent monthly dollars in today’s money would be). For example $2k per month in the future could be the same as $500 per month today, depending on how far into the future that SS payment starts.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 3:42 pm

      In that specific example, I think my calculations would still be accurate because Shane could have still worked and contributed a full 35 years (20 ->55), maxing out the SS system’s calculation of “the highest 35 years of your earnings”.

      As for the inflation effects you mentioned: all the examples in this article are inflation adjusted. So when I say something like “$2000 per month starting 20 years in the future” what I really mean is whatever equivalent amount FEELS like $2000 per month, 20 years from now.

      To use 3% inflation as an example, that future monthly amount would be 2000*(1.03^20) = $3612

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  • Alex April 16, 2026, 4:00 pm

    Pete, thank you for posting this analysis. It is good to quantify these scenarios. But one big drawback to quantifying anything related to social security is that there is a very impactful, yet unknown variable: Nobody knows how long they are going to live. The best approach is to review these mathematical scenarios but then just go with your gut feeling.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 4:31 pm

      Yep, that is true, although the funny part is that your decision may flip depending on how long you think you’ll live:

      – expecting to die young? Take the benefits earlier and enjoy life while it lasts
      – expecting to live to 100? The mathematical case for delaying to wait for higher payments gets better the longer you live

      However, by doing the NPV calculations as I did in this post and assuming reasonable investment returns, both situations become aligned:
      – Take the money as soon as you have a use for it, QUIT your job as early as possible if you don’t enjoy it, and live life to the fullest starting ASAP!

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    • David April 16, 2026, 6:19 pm

      The catchy term I’ve heard to describe this perspective on Social Security is “longevity insurance,” and it can be a real balm to those who have concerns about outliving their savings – not an idle fear given the ever lengthening lifespans of older Americans, and the added care expenses that arise for the very old. As much a psychological factor as a financial one, but folks who lean away from ‘just in time’ and toward ‘just in case’ may find the added peace of mind well worth the gamble. That oft repeated “Who knows how long I’ll live” can go either way.

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  • MrMelmoth April 16, 2026, 4:12 pm

    Great post, as always! Just a calculation check on the $91k NPV (your first example, age 30). Should this actually be $145k?

    I agree they’d need $834k in the future (same as your second example, if age 60), but wouldn’t PV of $834k in 30 years, discounted to the present day at 6% annual investment return be more like $145k today (compounding annually), not $91k? Thanks!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 16, 2026, 4:26 pm

      GASP! Thank you for catching that, I just updated the article. The problem is that I had changed the assumptions and then re-run the calculation without adjusting the text. Here’s what I changed it to:

      “A 30 year stream of $4000 per month payments that starts 32 years from now, assuming an interest rate of 6%”

      Now the answer is about $98k, which is cleaner because it matches up with the amount in the table later in the article.

      Now the only problem is that I already sent out the flawed version of this article to the email subscriber list which currently has, lemme check…. 161,000 subscribers. Oops!

      We can see what percentage of those folks is as sharp on the calculator as you are :-)

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      • MrMelmoth April 16, 2026, 5:22 pm

        Agreed! Thanks for confirming I wasn’t going crazy. :-)

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        • Brian April 16, 2026, 5:26 pm

          Thanks for clarifying. My math now checks out with the updated $4k and 32 years. Thanks!

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  • Michelle April 16, 2026, 4:23 pm

    Thank you so much for this post! I believe in “what you think about you bring about”. Two days ago I commented on a friend’s LinkedIn Post about social security. He’s a professtinal financial advisor. I asked him about taking SS at 62 and therefore being able to leave more in my retirement account to grow vs waiting to take SS until 67 or 70. I was curious about the value of having it early vs waiting. Your post is along that same line. I am 54 and I looked up my current SS benefit at 62 figure, plus my husbands, and I will do the math to see what it’s actually worth if we had that money in our retirement totals now. THANK YOU!

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  • Julian April 16, 2026, 5:49 pm

    I think people can do what they want with their personal balance sheets, but it is in fact, not “accurate” to include NPV of Social Security because it’s not money you can spend until you’re retired and claiming. If you are single and you have no spouse, ex’s, or children, it is not an inheritable stream of income or pool of assets. To each their own!

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    • Thornton April 22, 2026, 3:31 pm

      You can certainly include NPV of SS in your Net Worth Statement. It is an Asset (it has monetary value). An asset doesn’t need to be immediately convertible to cash in order to count as an asset – there are simple examples such as a house (that takes time and has costs associated in turning the asset into ‘money’) and more complicated ones like REITs and annuities. They are all Assets as they have monetary value.

      What is probably more logical to do is including SS as a Retirement Asset – or those assets you plan to live off of in retirement. This is often a different list of assets than what is in your Net Worth Statement – and is used for a different purpose (creating a stream of cash to live off of in retirement).

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  • Ryan Davis April 16, 2026, 6:06 pm

    I’ve always questioned the “better to wait to withdraw for maximum benefits” position. That may be true for non-mustachians who need every dollar of SS to live on and are willing to work longer to maximize their annual income. But SS’s early and delayed adjustments are actuarially derived to ensure the total cost to the system is the same. Theoretically, you would receive the same amount over your lifetime. Claiming earlier is a hedge against dying young. Unless you have a crystal ball and are assured of living longer than average, it’s better to claim early and invest. I looked into this a few years ago, and came across the paper:
    https://crr.bc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IB_19-18.pdf

    It’s a great summary of the history of delayed and early options (early claiming was originally designed to allow the younger spouse to not be penalized for retiring with the older spouse). It also analyzes whether the assumptions for the original actuarial adjustments apply today. Summary: adjustments for taking early (65) are probably right. It’s a wash to take anytime after 65. However, higher earners live longer and delay more. If delayed adjustments were based on those who actually use it, the increase should be less. Based on increased life expectancies, wealthier individuals should wait.

    Great article!

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    • Mark Schreiner April 19, 2026, 2:06 pm

      What an excellent example of a comment; cites a great source, and summarizes it so that we do not have to. Thank you!

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  • Sarengo April 16, 2026, 6:19 pm

    I want to call out a couple considerations around the longevity of Social Security and Medicare for those in the USA.

    First, there is a provision within the Social Security legislation that stipulates should Social Security funding be deficient to pay out all intended benefits, it will still pay out based on its annual tax intake. While the Social Security funding is quickly dwindling, the expectation is that the annual tax intake will continue to represent ~80% of intended benefits. Thus, even if you don’t expect Congress to actively fix Social Security funding, unless you expect Congress to actively kill Social Security then you should expect some payout.

    That said, it is important to note that Medicare has no such deficiency stipulation in its legislation, so if Medicare funding becomes deficient then without an active effort from Congress it will just be gone. I know that early retirees typically plan for medical coverage between retirement and becoming Medicare eligible, but I’ve seen many assume Medicare will be there, which it may not. On one hand, ACA coverage creates a cost-capped option at age 65+, but that assumes that ACA coverage is still around. I know MMM has also suggested options such as self-funding or community plans, but I’ll warn that those are generally more viable for those early retirement years and become generally less viable for many as you get into your golden years. This is where HSAs can be really helpful, and since they can double up as 401k-like funds for non-medical expenses after 65, I really do recommend taking advantage of them as best as you can. Everyone’s costs and longevity will vary, and potentially significantly so if you require long-term care, but there is a general rule of thumb of trying to have ~$200k/person at age 65 bucketed for retirement medical expenses (premiums and out-of-pocket costs), where the expectation is that bucket should continue to grow despite withdrawals in the early years and then transition to mostly drawing down as you get further up in the years.

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  • Jesse Cramer April 16, 2026, 8:17 pm

    MMM and readers: I have bad news.

    My understanding is that using a 6% discount rate is a Social Security mistake that many, many others have made before. I understand the logic, but it’s flawed.

    I am worried that sharing this flawed logic with such a wide audience will lead many people to make poor decisions about their retirements.

    Please consider using a discount rate that meets the criteria of the “next best option of similar risk.” That is standard practice for discount rates. In this case, TIPS would be a natural choice. Their inflation-adjusted discount rate would be ~2%.

    After all – if we’re going to neglect risk, why not use Berkshire Hathaway’s historical return of 20% per year? Or Bitcoin’s of 230% per year?

    Using the proper 2% instead of 6% would lead us to the opposite conclusion as this article. That is, claiming at 62 is the WORST choice if you’ll live until 90.

    I realize this might torpedo the entire article. But it’ll also lead the audience to reach better retirement conclusions.

    All the best,
    Jesse Cramer

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 8:42 am

      It’s a fair point but I happen to disagree. Index funds are more volatile and not guaranteed, but not actually more “risky” in terms of the return you should forecast over a multi decade period. This is the same reason I’ve always been all in on index funds rather than bonds/TIPS or whatever else. It’s one of the principles often ignored by conventional finance managers.

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      • Jesse Cramer April 17, 2026, 8:56 am

        Cheers Pete, I appreciate your candor and all the good work. Thanks for the reply.

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      • Carlos April 17, 2026, 11:16 am

        This reader feedback is spot on. While index funds may be higher return on average over multiple decades, you have to consider the fact that SS has the following going for it: it’s guaranteed, no volatility so no sequence of returns risk, inflation adjusted, and protects against longevity. That’s why people like Wade Pfau constantly comment that delaying SS is the best annuity you can buy (for most people). Good article overall but I think you should lower discount rate to no more than 4% (at the absolute max, but closer to 2-3% would be more appropriate for similar risk/benefit opportunities).

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      • Aaron Smykowski April 17, 2026, 2:44 pm

        You should ask people who own Japan’s total stock market index fund if they think there’s no risk in equity index funds.

        There’s a reason you get an equity risk premium over safer assets.

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        • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 6:40 pm

          There’s also a reason I moved to the US to build my career, have a family, invest for financial independence, and start businesses rather than Japan or any other country ;-)

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  • DanM April 16, 2026, 10:13 pm

    Permit me to respectfully contribute the slightly off topic but relevant point that the actual social security payment received will be less than the estimated value. A partial list of factors can include: Medicare being deducted from Social Security (for me a fixed cost of approximately $649 per month), Federal Taxes and possibly State Taxes on Social Security (a variable cost based on one’s income level tax bracket), IRMAA costs (also based on income level), the cost of supplemental (Medigap) coverage (if one elects this coverage). These amount to inconvenient truths, practical realities and real-life considerations that can serve to a second pass input to refine the analysis using this solid analysis approach. Your thoughts?

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  • Luke Ellsworth April 16, 2026, 10:22 pm

    I’m excited to see this topic! Most people I ask (including financial advisors and moneywise folks) insist that it’s almost always better to defer drawing Social Security until normal retirement age (67) or even later (70). However, most people don’t understand the time value of money!
    I retired four years ago at age 57 and I’m very much looking forward to drawing Social Security next year at age 62. Why? Because it’s a much, much better deal. Here’ s how it works.
    Using the data provided to me by the Social Security Administration, my current estimated monthly benefit amounts will be $2,513 if starting at age 62, or $3,569 if starting at age 67, and $4,425 if starting at age 70. It appears obvious that it would be best to wait for the higher amount. But it is not. Here’s why. In a zero-interest rate world, I can run a simple break-even analysis and determine that it would take me until age 78½ to come out ahead by waiting until 67 to start. It would take me until age 80½ to break even if I waited until 70 to start. With a current life expectancy for me to live until age 76½, I’m still better off to start at age 62, but only slightly. But then again, we don’t live in a zero-interest rate world!
    In a 4% interest rate world, these figures change dramatically. It now takes me until age 85½ to break even when starting at age 67, and until age 87 when starting at age 70. In an 8% interest rate world (The S&P 500 has averaged 10.5% annually since 1957), my break-even points are both now out beyond 100 years old. It’s really a no-brainer!

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  • axel hoogland April 16, 2026, 11:29 pm

    The ssa.gov calculator tells you the present value of your SS . So if it tells you $3k today it’ll be more due to Inflation. Just a helpful hint

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  • axel hoogland April 16, 2026, 11:32 pm

    What do you think about the “SS is running out crowd” cuz to me that seems pretty accurate. We are drawing down instead of adding to the SS fund.
    So mathematical they’ll run out in 9 ish years. What I see happening is they’ll add more to the yearly deficit to provide the “promised” ss amount. Which will add to inflation and the continued demise of the dollar .no one has lived though a currency collapse of the world reserve currency but we can look to history for clues and the pattern says the USA is headed for higher inflation and more debt and eventually a debt default

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    • Justin April 17, 2026, 10:56 am

      Counter-question, how would an answer to that change your strategy?

      If the USD collapses, basically all of our retirement planning goes out the window. I suppose if you felt *really sure* that it was coming, you could try to invest your money primarily in foreign markets… but then, all of those markets are also strongly tied to the USD, so you’re still in a bad spot *and* you’ll have been missing out on the high growth of US Index Fund in the interim (so even if it “falls less”, it wouldn’t have grown as high before falling…). I guess you could stockpile physical gold, but that has it’s own problems and risks.

      My personal take on this (and many other “catastrophic global collapse” events) is A) Basically every member of society has a vested interest in not allowing it to happen, so it’s probably not very likely, and B) if you really think it is going to happen, where you invest your money probably won’t matter, and instead you should probably invest your time and money in planning how to survive it.

      There’s a whole prepper culture around this, but if you’re truly worried about it, you’d want to have some remote land with a fresh water source, with shelter, and tools, and crops, and livestock, basically you’ll want to be as self-sufficient as possible. Of course, all of that stuff does you no good if you don’t know how to use it, and if society collapses and you realize you’re missing an important tool, you can’t just order it off Amazon any more. Ultimately the conclusion I reached is essentially, “If you really want to be set up to survive the collapse of society, you need to start living like society has collapsed already.” I decided I didn’t really want to live that way, so I’ve stopped worrying about it all that much.

      MMM has an article about “circle of control” which addresses the concept of “how much should we worry about things we can’t control”.

      FWIW, I do agree the current government is really fucking up our global economic power, which could certainly impact the returns or value of my investments down the line… but I also don’t see any better options at the moment, so I guess I’ll stay on the inexplicably rising stock market train…

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      • Thornton April 22, 2026, 3:45 pm

        You mean the current government in the last 18 months where the US stock market has returned ~18% during that time? The market that represents the US economic power? The one that all the investment professionals – who spend 60 hours/week assessing – with all the latest technology – have collectively determined the US economic power has grown significantly in value over the last 18 months?

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  • Karen April 17, 2026, 1:41 am

    Hey Pete,
    Regarding your comment on you won’t care about the taxes on your RMDs when you’re 75 because you’ll have plenty of income. I take issue with that as a 75 year old with a six figure retirement income living a comfy life in expensive Boulder County like you. I don’t want to pay taxes to a federal government that is spending in areas that are not my values. But that’s not my main point. Only a couple people have commented on SS taxability (e.g., Jiri, Dave) aside from taxes on RMDs. Not everyone realizes that up to 85% of your SS income is taxable depending on what other kinds of annual retirement income you have. The IRS uses a formula where tax-deferred pensions, royalties, 401K distributions, and any earned income can trigger the taxability of your SS payment. The way to potentially avoid this with the present laws is to pay taxes on any future funds when you’re working, i.e., Roth contributions, Roth conversions, and backdoor Roths if you’re over the Roth eligibility limits. This works best for 1099 people, but W-2 people also can benefit from it to a lesser extent. I’m a believer it’s not how much you make, but how much you keep from the government.

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    • Roberto April 17, 2026, 1:32 pm

      However, if you are a high earner in your working years, it makes sense to max the traditional retirements accounts to avoid a (currently) 24% or 32% tax rate (which was actually quite a bit higher in the past), not worry as much about Roth, and then pay the tax on Social Security. Odds are that the tax on your Social Security will fall in the 12% bracket, or maybe 22% if you are making particularly substantial withdrawals from traditional retirement accounts.

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      • Karen April 17, 2026, 4:48 pm

        Thanks for your reply. It might make mathematical sense to max out tax deferred account with a high income’ but I should have added my investment approach to retirement income was more based on peace of mind in retirement than math. During my high earner years when I was maxing out my SEP contributions and Roth conversions at the limit of $50,000+/year I had outrageous federal tax liability. But, I had the extra income coming in and didn’t miss the money going out the door to the federales because I was careful about lifestyle creep. This was all before the pandemic and the current cost of living crisis which really wasn’t predictable at the time and neither affected me financially with my approach. My 2025 federal tax was $1857 and my state tax was $0 (and I received the state sales tax rebate). My only money concern as a retiree is that social security will be means-tested down the road and Roth income will figure in to taxable income in the means-test calculations. I don’t think I’d be feeling good financially in 2026 if I was pulling money out of taxable investments in order to have a comfy retirement.

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        • Roberto April 19, 2026, 12:20 pm

          I get what you are saying. However, just be aware that the peace of mind you think you have comes at the expense of “I will pay 24% or 32% tax now while I’m earning a lot of money in order to avoid the *possibility* of a 10% or 12% tax down the road in retirement.”

          If that helps you sleep better, then you can certainly take that approach. But it is clearly at odds with a desire to minimize the tax you are paying to the federal government. I.e., it virtually guarantees that you will pay more tax in the long run.

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  • Roxane April 17, 2026, 1:51 am

    Thanks for the article and analysis. My own perspective, as a cancer survivor, is that I could be dead tomorrow. And nobody will get survivor benefits after my death. So I will start receiving decent SS benefits at age 67 (“full retirement age”) later this year, which will easily cover rent, food, transportation, and healthcare. My perspective for both my private and public pensions (U.S., and Switzerland where I am a permanent resident) is that I want to take them now, while I am alive, as they evaporate upon my death.

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  • Steve April 17, 2026, 2:54 am

    My wife died when I was 50. I was 10 years into building up our stash but still only about 50% to reaching the 4% magic number.

    After she died, I decided to take my chances, drastically downsize and see if I could make it until social security without an income. I figured in the worst case scenario I had enough stash to cover 20 years and then could eke out a living on SS alone. My expected SS payments are similar to MM’s.

    I decided I’d collect SS asap because I always figured I’d be dead early even though “all the experts” tell you to delay collecting to maximize your monthly payments.

    I maximize for healthspan not lifespan and won’t subject myself to the types of treatments my wife suffered through. I ain’t going out like that.

    Also having the income stream for those earlier years will be more enjoyable than when I’m over 70 or 75 (Die with Zero philosophy).

    ——-
    Age 58 now. I actually will collect a survivor’s SS benefit at age 60 which will be about $700 a month before I switch to my own SS at age 62. I can’t wait. These are the first birthday milestones I’m looking forward to since age 21.

    Also, my investments that I live off of by drawing down have grown over the past 10 years. 90% is in a vanguard total stock market index. Even with my withdrawals the
    balance is now higher than when I started. That’s been a good run due to luck. It’s comforting but whatever.

    Thanks for the NPV calculator. This is the first time I saw numbers that validate my decision. That’s sweet.

    Ps. I never thought SS would be around by the time I hit retirement age. Then again, I never expected I’d be around either.

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  • Chris April 17, 2026, 3:28 am

    Yes, I’ve always wondered why “advisors” encouraged people to delay SS. I’ve done the math and it always works out in favor of taking it as early as you possibly can. If you don’t need the money, throw it into an index fund. Also this is the math IF you live to the older age, and also BEFORE taxes which are obviously lower if you get less each year. In addition, if you don’t use this money because you don’t need it, it goes into an investment which can then be passed on to heirs who may need it. If you delay retirement and die, it simply vanishes.

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  • Tara April 17, 2026, 4:15 am

    My spouse is 15 years older than me and was a much higher earner, so I’m definitely filing at 62. It will slow down my burn rate and in the likely event that he passes first, then I’ll get his higher benefit which is enough to live on without my savings. 🎉🥳

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  • Stephen Valder April 17, 2026, 7:23 am

    Thanks. The math is helpful. The one thing I would add is that there is an insurance component in Social Security Insurance.
    I’d look at the reduction in the NPV as the premium I pay in case one of us exceeds the 30 year window you used in your example.
    If a couple is 65, there is a 50% probability that one will live past 90.

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  • Dharma Bum April 17, 2026, 7:27 am

    In Canada they call it OAS (Old Age Supplement) and CPP (Canada Pension Plan).
    I started taking it at the earliest available opportunity (age 60), along with my wife (same age). I understood the math principles that MMM has elucidated here. My colleagues and acquaintances and friends believed otherwise. My philosophy is that if the government is offering you money today, don’t wait on their promise for a larger sum tomorrow. Especially the Canadian government. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In the meantime, I’m still running the experiment. Every cent of “government pension” money received has been invested in an isolated account.
    I am already way ahead of where i would have been had I waited for a larger monthly payout to start later.
    Unfortunately, the tax slave colony of Canada makes the plebes give most if it back as a punishment for being otherwise financially successful. It’s April. It’s tax month. I just received my accounting. It’s all being handed back to to Carney and his Circus of Clowns. Anyway, the math still works!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 8:38 am

      Yep, and my beloved Mom back in Canada also lives on those two historic programs. Since she is the original sheet of frugal cloth from which my siblings were cut, you won’t be surprised to find that she is able to live on CPP+OAS with plenty left over!

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    • Alison I April 24, 2026, 8:27 am

      I can understand why you’d resent a large tax bill – who wouldn’t? :) – but please don’t forget that, as another commenter pointed out, it helps cover the financial support of other people who haven’t made Mustachian decisions about their lifestyle. A “ tough sh*t”attitude towards that segment of the population might be emotionally gratifying, but it’s a poor basis for a civil society. And as a fellow Canadian, I appreciate my mostly free medical care, decent roads, and some degree of a social safety net. It’s what I pay taxes for. And if you have enough money to be pissed off by how much you hand back to the tax man, I don’t think you really have a problem :).

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      • Liz May 11, 2026, 1:34 pm

        My late father always said: if I am paying taxes, I doing pretty well. He was a very high income earner, did what he could to reduce the amount he had to pay, but never begrudged paying his share.

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  • Zoe April 17, 2026, 7:27 am

    I come from wealthy Australia… and support both my parents (plus 2 small kids). Both my parents worked throughout their lives and both collect the pension. Its an appalingly small amount of money. My father owns a place outright and also has superannuation but cant live off that. So I pay all the land tax of the property and pay him rent to live on it and build a house on it. My mother could never get into the housing market here – immigrant, raising a child alone under tough circumstances. I pay the mortgage of the house she is in, which I bought, and she pays around a third of the cost. Its easy to assume the pension pays. where I am, it doesnt. Even if you live in a place you own outright, the cost of living is crazy. Fine if you want to be living off beans – terrible if you want to be able to do anything other than survive.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 8:35 am

      Hey Zoe – I admire some of the resourceful things your family has done to make the most of your situation. Solving problems together is my favorite thing ever, and to me it’s just as fun in the context of a slight shortage of money as it is in a surplus.

      The idea that the “cost of living is crazy” is oddly enough something that almost everybody says in almost every country, even here in the US where our ratio of after tax salary to the cost of true necessities is one of the highest.

      It is definitely true that not all life situations and not all countries are created with equal difficulty. But it is equally true that all lives present us with a lot of choices and opportunities for optimization. Your examples are some really good ones that many of us Americans could learn from.

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      • Zoe April 18, 2026, 4:01 am

        Well that’s very kind of you. Yes I agree about cost of living complaints being everywhere. What I wanted to tell you was that since I started reading mmm in late 2024, I have socked away in etf’s around $25k!! And added to my superannuation. When I read your posts it all clicked for me and Ive been able to really cut my spending and invest – no mean feat for someone on a part time wage with many dependants. And we are pretty happy and managed a few holidays (mostly camping fishing cycling but still). when I read your blogs it all sort of clicked, and I was so excited to share the “discovery”, to my other professional colleagues. You would not believe how confusing and disappointing it was when they were unable to share my excitement. You see, what I realised is that I have a pretty what you call moustachian lifestyle- live in a little cabin in the forest (very economical way to live) with mostly outdoor activities to occupy us. We fish, chop wood and grow veg, we love surf and mountain biking and can ride to school. But when I bring people here, they are always disappointed! Where is the massive house? The flash car? The pool? They say “you should subdivide and cash in” and complain about the money it costs to live here. My colleagues are also similar – one just bought a bmw on finance (!!) and most have huge personal loans. I never had a credit card until after I bought my first small home and got a job that pays monthly (making it a bit tricky to manage cash flow. It’s got a $3k limit and no interest and low fee). So even though I feel Iike early retirement is kinda impossible (I don’t think I could ever get to a 50% savings target, despite being a bus using, cycling to the supermarket, thrift store person who even cooks bread) I feel like I am on track to at least be able to reduce my work in another 5 or so years, maybe even crew aboard a sailboat or something nice :) so THANK YOU!

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  • Jeff Seglem April 17, 2026, 7:51 am

    Another characteristically readable MMM post with genuinely useful points.

    A couple of reactions:

    1. The NPV framing of SS is a helpful and often overlooked perspective, even by CFPs.
    2. The assumed 6% return after inflation strikes me as a bit hopeful. Vanguard forecasts a 4%-5% real return for US equities. Certainly it’s fine to forecast based on 6%, but look at variations on the real returns on equity. Evaluate it based on a range from 3%-6% cause the future is uncertain. When you vary that 6% assumption, the NPV of early claims wobbles.
    3. SS is a longevity insurance product which is different than investing. A higher benefit at 70 is guaranteed inflation-adjusted payment that you can’t outlive. That has value the NPV math doesn’t capture.

    A thought-provoking post and good stuff for folks to think about.

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  • Ross Richard April 17, 2026, 8:09 am

    My half-trustworthy napkin math on when to take out SS always says that its best to take it out early if you are already retired. Turns out the returns the money you wouldn’t have to pull out to cover expenses add up MUCH better than the extra money you get from taking SS out later, making a dramatic difference the longer you live. If you are in a down market the math is even better in the ‘taking early’ camp since that would involve selling shares at a loss. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

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  • Patrick April 17, 2026, 9:17 am

    The 4% rule is shockingly simple math, Social Security is not. (as evidenced by the fact someone very good at math – yourself – made a couple mistakes here that you had to correct!).

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  • Roberto April 17, 2026, 9:18 am

    One thing that I’m surprised this didn’t mention is the “bond effect” of the SS PV. After reading this article I did a search for “social security present value” and came across this article from Michael Kitces:
    https://www.kitces.com/blog/valuing-social-security-benefits-as-an-asset-on-the-household-balance-sheet/

    He discusses treating the lump sum value of the SS benefit as a bond allocation in the portfolio. I get why people might say “I don’t want to think about/consider SS because I’m so young”, but I think considering it might help people make better asset allocation decisions.

    Take the 30 y/o couple in your example. If the PV of their projected SS benefit is $98k and they also have $200k invested (in retirement accounts and brokerage) then their asset allocation is roughly 33% bonds and 67% everything else. If they decide to start putting part of that $200k into bonds, then they may very likely be substantially over-allocated with bonds.

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  • Patrick April 17, 2026, 9:36 am

    How does MMM have higher SS benefit than me when he worked ~10 years and I worked 13 years at near max SS tax? Oh, he’s earned SE income for 15 of 21 retirement years. Lol. I hear sirens… oh, it’s the Internet Retirement Police. ;)

    Useful tip – the SSA website has a calculator (once you login) where you can set your future annual salary to 0, to forecast what your true SS amount will be if you’re an early retiree without 35 years in their record yet.

    Also interesting – apparently the max benefit is about $4200 at 67 if you worked 35 years at max SS taxation. That’s quite the NPV. (But also 35 years of work, ugh!)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 17, 2026, 9:50 am

      Yeah, here’s to the magic of casual self employment on your own terms! To be fair, some of those “Zero” years were right at the worst time: right after retirement and while losing money on my supposedly hobby but actually way too stressful house building company. Nowadays, writing a blog post every four months is more my speed :-)

      Thank you for that tip on the SSA calculator, I had no idea that was in there! I will find it and try it out, then update that part of the article.

      In the Facebook comments about this article, someone was complaining about the low return that SS gives to high earners. His numbers were way off, but even if you do them correctly they are interesting: If you invest your max SS contribution at historical stock returns of 7% after inflation, you end up with $3.5M at retirement, which is good for about $11,000 per month rather than the $4200 the system gives us. Which sounds bad, but guess what, you can do both!

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  • Daniel April 17, 2026, 9:46 am

    Math PhD here. Have been following this for 20 years I think, big fan. Retired exactly 2 weeks ago, age 58.

    Re the 100K salary example and 2 people, as Mr. MM must surely know 100K 35 years ago meant a lot more than 100K today. So it’s not really an average of 28K vs 100K. I’d argue it’s more like an average of $45K vs $100K, and aligned with the benefit at age 67 for the 2 people.

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